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To: VadeRetro
You cited some guy who I've never heard of--Alton Harp; so whatever refutation he got for his theory has no relation to anything I've said since I've never cited him. As to nonthermodynamic phenomenon I guess I'm missing something unless you believe that stars give off no heat or that the light given off by the sun, and other stars, does not contain 3 types of waves one of which has heat. I didn't bother reading your rehashing of digestion REALLY being an atomic process. I'm not interested in word games. As to calling you a fool; I've never done that and I don't know why you say I did. People are just threatened by a God who has authority of them who doesn't give them light on a matter even after their 40 years of study and 10 Ph.D's. The reason that happens is that they rejected Him at the outset. I don't call you a fool and still haven't. When you die, that may be a different story, but I still won't be calling you a fool then either. Now, you ask why Adam wasn't fried. The explanation is that your assumption is wrong. You assume all things continue as you see them presently which is, as we know, false. After a few cataclysmic events, one being the Flood, the architecture, structure and chemistry of the earth were significantly altered. Bottom line there is that you can't go back 6000 years to see how things were then since they were not the same.
190 posted on 09/16/2001 7:22:43 PM PDT by bryan1276
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To: bryan1276
You cited some guy who I've never heard of--Alton Harp; so whatever refutation he got for his theory has no relation to anything I've said since I've never cited him.

I've never seen a more graphic demonstration that creationists don't themselves even read the unformatted glop they cut and paste onto this forum. The following comes from your own solid slab of hocus-pocus gibberish in post 168:

7) Some scientists worry that there may be yet other explanations for the red shift and that too much reliance may have been placed on Hubble's Law. Halton Arp, an American astronomer based in Germany, has collected "discrepant" red shifts which appear to be in conflict with traditional views.

You don't understand your own arguments, not having written or even read them, so no wonder my responses to them puzzle you. And don't try to tell me I said "Alton Harp" instead of "Halton Arp," either.

I didn't bother reading your rehashing of digestion REALLY being an atomic process. I'm not interested in word games.

Chemical processes are governed by electons and should have been fast in the early universe according to CDK. CDKers admit that much. They claim that weaker chemical bonds (caused by faster-flying, low-mass electrons) are good for you. Hah!

My point is that aging is more a matter of chemistry than it is of large-scale mechanics. Glucose molecules bind across your protein fibers, making your tissues more brittle. That sort of thing. No CDKer has attempted a coherent and credible model of biological processes in a light-speeded world, so it's just another area where all I get for answers is mumbling and arm-waving.

Bottom line there is that you can't go back 6000 years to see how things were then since they were not the same.

I have no use for a cosmology that won't even try to go back 6000 years. The CDK model does try to go back and say how things were, and the model doesn't work. Not my problem.

191 posted on 09/17/2001 6:22:28 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: bryan1276
As to nonthermodynamic phenomenon I guess I'm missing something unless you believe that stars give off no heat or that the light given off by the sun, and other stars, does not contain 3 types of waves one of which has heat.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics refers to quantifiable thermodynamic processes. This law so far appears inviolable. The claim that "order" never arises "spontaneously" from "disorder" stands apart from the Second Law of Thermodynamics because 1) it's not about heat, 2) it's not quantifiable, 3) it's demonstrably false.

For instance, when the universe emitted the flash of light we see as the Cosmic Microwave Background, there were only a few kinds of atoms, mostly hydrogen, helium, and a little lithium, and they were very evenly dispersed.

Since then, much of the universe's mass has clumped gravitationally in a perfectly lawful manner. Stars and galaxies formed. Heavier elements were forged in stars and dispersed through space in supernovae.

In a perfectly lawful fashion we went from a universe that contained virtually no information to the one we see now. No violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics was necessary, since the almost-but-not-perfectly evenly dispersed hydrogen of that early CMB universe contained enough 1) gravitational potential, and 2) nuclear energy potential to power the changes. The laws of physics and the passage of time did the rest.

192 posted on 09/17/2001 6:39:22 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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