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Is Free Republic a Fraud? Is it time for Free Republic to go away?
Free Republic | 11/28/01 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 11/28/2001 7:31:29 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Free Republic has had one helluva run over the last five years or so. We helped impeach one president and helped get another into office. We've been active in demonstrations and protests in nearly every city across the nation. We've participated in conventions, petition drives, activism campaigns and projects for dozens of conservative causes.

We've grown from a tiny web site with a few hundred posters and readers from the time of inception in 1996, to one with tens of thousands of participants today. Along the way we've made lots of great friends and, unfortunately, also made lots of bitter enemies.

We've grown from a small web site that I could manage myself on a part-time basis to a huge monster that has totally consumed all of my time and resources plus nearly all of John's time, plus the time and resources of many dedicated FReepers who volunteer or contribute large amounts of their own time and money.

The site is now consuming all of a 10 mbps dedicated line with two servers and we're still growing, and it consumes large amounts of money to keep all this running. In the early years, it only took a few thousand dollars per month to keep Free Republic on the air, but it is now costing over $20,000 per month to cover all expenses.

The major costs include approximately $8,000 per month for bandwidth, 3,000 for systems management and programming services, 7,000 for management, operating and administrative services, plus two or three thousand per month for miscellaneous office expenses, telephone, communications, repairs & maintenance, travel & lodging, postage, rentals, insurance, legal fees, accounting fees, etc., etc.

We anticipate a reduction in bandwidth costs next year as we renegotiate our contract (the market price for bandwidth has fallen recently), however, that will be more than offset by an expected increase in costs of our legal expenses. As most of you know, our pro bono attorney has left us and we've hired a new attorney to continue with our case, plus we have the suit against eschoir to pay for. My projections are that our regular monthly expenses for next year will be running in the neighborhood of $22,000 per month, or approximately $264,000 total for the year. This means we will need to raise approximately $66,000 per quarter.

Talking about making enemies, we've got several ex-FReepers and other detractors who are claiming on their anti-freeper web sites that I am ripping off the donors and that Free Republic is a fraud. Now, Free Republic is what it is, and it is definitely not a fraud. It is a conservative news discussion forum that encourages participation in politics and activism projects. It is not being billed as anything else. We are not selling or promising anything. And I am being up front about our operating costs. The costs of running Free Republic are what I've stated above and they are necessary to keep FR on the air. I do not have the financial wherewithal to operate this site without your help. If the majority of the FReepers feel that these costs are out of line or too much to bear or that Free Republic is no longer wanted or needed, then we will either cut it back or shut it down or do something altogether different.

I've also been criticized about not making our financials public. Well, the reason I do not want to do this is that I have been sued, both personally and as Free Republic, LLC. The people suing us want to bankrupt us and shut us down. They subpoenaed our financial records, but we refused to turn them over. The judge agreed that the plaintiffs have no right to the information, thus I have no intention of making any more of it public than I absolutely have to, until this lawsuit is resolved. You all know the amounts of money we raise if you follow the fundraising threads. It is all above board and out in the open. The totals posted by BadJoe are usually pretty close to the actual cash received and the amounts expended are pretty close to the amounts projected. No one is getting rich here and no one is being ripped off. The funds raised are being used for the purposes stated, and that is keeping this website on the air and that's it. Nothing fraudulent about it. Those who want to help fund us freely do so with nothing expected in return. Those who do not want to contribute do not have to.

There was a thread running this morning where people were making all kinds of accusations about Free Republic "hiding the truth" or whatever. These accusations are being made by Chuck Allan and others and fall along the same line with the accusations being made by some of the earlier banees or AFers including Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan, Arator, keep U.S. Sovereign, TKEman and others. Some of these people are existing FReepers and some are banned. I am going to reinstate Mojo, Inspector Harry Callahan and Arator's accounts so they can join Chuck Allan, TKEman, K.U.S.S. and whomever else wants to get involved, and I invite them to come onto this thread and make their accusations public. As long as they do not go onto other threads and make a nuisance of themselves, I will let them have their say.

Like I said above, if it is time for Free Republic to go away so be it. Those who want to keep it going speak up. Those who want it to go away, tell us why. But if those who want it to be gone lose out in the debate, then I'd say they should just go away themselves, or, in the very least, shut up and quit whining about it.

Thanks,

Jim


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To: Jim Robinson
Win or lose, I'm in it for the long-haul.

Jim, best of luck with that, and I admire you for going through it all the way. Litigation is never fun.

BTW, I happened to notice tonight -- this thread here that you've started was rather prominently featured on the Dem site www.buzzflash.com

I can't recall the exact headline they wrote on their site, but I was surprised to see it right there in the center of that particular page.
2,161 posted on 11/29/2001 7:37:29 PM PST by summer
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Good to see you back Callahan. Place was'nt the same without you.
2,162 posted on 11/29/2001 7:37:33 PM PST by Uni-Poster
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To: Fred Mertz
LOL, Fred. Too many long hours spent at work. The legal tab y'all have to pay for the bogus lawsuit is $105,000 big ones.
2,163 posted on 11/29/2001 7:37:53 PM PST by aligyrl-02
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To: sit-rep
My site is a project....where is your creativity?

Merely establishing a board isn't "creative;" it's like plugging a guitar into an amp and turning the power on.

The "creativity" results from the postings; the "music," as it were.

You faulted the quality of the the posts on FR; I returned the compliment.

So what's the deal, sit? You judge, but must not be judged, lest your posters' feelings are hurt?

Like I said: YOU GUYS!

2,164 posted on 11/29/2001 7:38:05 PM PST by alcuin
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To: Sam Spade
who really cares what you think. Run back to eschoir!
2,165 posted on 11/29/2001 7:38:19 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
I bow to your lack of intellect, sir.
2,166 posted on 11/29/2001 7:38:45 PM PST by Sam Spade
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To: an amused spectator
AlexZZZ:

It's obvious that you're not a lawyer, and you're not a computer geek, and you're not a businessman. So what exactly are you? A whining Web naif, stuck in a backwater Net ghetto - exactly where the rest of us will end up if the media giants con the courts into their bogus "copyright" claims.

Post a paragraph of one of their articles in a manner that "offends" them and you'll be lucky to get a one or two-line email "politely asking" you to remove it and never to do it again. If you're unlucky, well - they'll already have a decision in hand, won't they?

Fool.

As for LMC - wipe the drool off your face, man - you're embarrassing yourself.

2,167 posted on 11/29/2001 7:39:20 PM PST by an amused spectator
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To: jveritas; Jim Robinson
I agree a fee should be charged. I suggest somewhere around $35 to $60 per year. I've donated this much or more, but I'd like to think that the disruptors would have to pay too. Making the site free, and then soliciting donations, is too much like socialism.
2,168 posted on 11/29/2001 7:39:46 PM PST by jonathonandjennifer
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To: incindiary
Remember all those funny threads we used to post late at night? I wonder if any of them are still in existence?

Yep. I happened to run across one a few weeks ago. Check this out:

I like Republicans! They are nice.

That was sarcasm at its finest, Cindy! LOL.

2,169 posted on 11/29/2001 7:39:48 PM PST by Arator
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To: Sam Spade
Oh my gosh.... IC!! This IS a flash from the past! How are you? Nice to see you too! :-)
2,170 posted on 11/29/2001 7:40:07 PM PST by incindiary
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To: Howlin
Dear Diary,

I had a busy day today. I was back on FR and I jumped at the chance. I started to post and remembered the good old days and how much worse things are now.

I said I would stop posting earlier in the day, but I could not. After I said I had no intention of posting or donating, I made an additional 50+ posts on the operation of FR and how it is lacking.

I just could not help myself. I like FR and I enjoy the exchange of ideas. What I don't like is that it is not run the way I like it. And that makes me so mad, I just want to scream!

Diary, what do I do? I need all this attention, but I can't stop posting to the forum I most like to criticize. I tried to make up some rubbish about being the leader of a group of conservatives in the good old days, but I did not feel any better.

I really need FR. What do I do?

Arator

2,171 posted on 11/29/2001 7:41:06 PM PST by Fury
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To: TKEman
Mr. Keyes would more than likely tell all of you obsessed folks to get a life. And I would concur.
2,172 posted on 11/29/2001 7:41:30 PM PST by Clinton's a liar
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To: Arator
Oh NO!! Not that thread! I was hoping that one was deleted.... heheh.

All the pics are gone!

2,173 posted on 11/29/2001 7:42:01 PM PST by incindiary
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To: aligyrl-02
In the big picture, $105K is small potatoes. Of course, that's just my humble opinion.
2,174 posted on 11/29/2001 7:42:32 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Arator
And request admission to our new private by-invitation-only forum.

Your former host (and future co-host?),

Arator

Ok put up or shut up lets have the password and prove you are not a fraud arator?

Freepmail me and Howlin the password. And John and Jim too since they are the accused by that gang of yours.
2,175 posted on 11/29/2001 7:43:21 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
WHAT A TEAM YOU 3 MAKE AT YOUR SITE THAT YOU SAID IS GONE? well thats what you told Howlin. Did you fib?

(Yawn) And what site might that be, pray tell?

(Note: Reunion Reformation is Flem Snope's site, not mine. FRU Reunion is Sourmash's site, not mine.)

My site was FReeper Reunion, now defunct. And your point was...?

2,176 posted on 11/29/2001 7:43:42 PM PST by Arator
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To: Fury
You nailed him. Spot on!
2,177 posted on 11/29/2001 7:43:56 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Arator
I just get a lot of undeserved attention.

LOL!

***Ummmm, Arator, remember all those vanities you posted? And what about the marine guy on every thread dragging people to vote in your poll? ***

LOL!

2,178 posted on 11/29/2001 7:44:06 PM PST by Irma
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To: BADJOE
Thats great! Good work FReepers as we end this BS from the rats!
2,179 posted on 11/29/2001 7:45:01 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Sam Spade
but I do remember that I didn't know whether the Howlin there was an impostor or not and specifically said so in this sentence.

I'm not questioning YOU about it; I'm merely restating the fact that, even when you posted your reply, he KNEW it wasn't me posting over there. And he had known since before lunch.

2,180 posted on 11/29/2001 7:45:05 PM PST by Howlin
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