Sun Tzu would be proud. This is exactly the kind of stuff I expect from the Chinese. COSCO shipping containers with W-88 design nukes are likely in the future. They'll work around our ABM technology and avoid any blame.
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To: spycatcher
Didn't Clancy predict this about 14 mos ago?
To: spycatcher
On another note, Thomas believes President Bush's decision to pull out of the ABM treaty will cause Russia and China to strengthen their ties to the detriment of the United States. "It's in China's interest to see the U.S. destablilized," he added. Does Putin really want a Darwin Award?
To: spycatcher
If China was behind this in some way, they probably find the quick destruction of Alqaida highly entertaining.
To: spycatcher
China isn't liking things right about now. The shipping container with the W-88's is a red herring, it wouldn't take long to figure out who did it, and neither China nor Russia could withstand a US first strike, in all probability, so that would be a very, very bad move on their part.
To: spycatcher
Beelzebubba has his legacy.
To: spycatcher
The Chicoms would destroy us if they could but I can't see bin Laden taking orders from Chicom atheists. What did they tell him? "Attack America for us and by the way you and Omar will be totally destroyed. Thanks for the favor suckers." This is pure nebulous hypothesis but I am open to real evidence.
To: spycatcher
You're all missing the obvious conclusion here: We will now reciprocally use Russia to hit China. Why do you think Bush and Putin are such good buddies now? Russia doesn't want to be China. They want to be the USA. Why do you think Bush pushed so hard on the SDI? Because when Russia kicks China down, we'll be safe.
It's Gog and Magog time, folks.
15 posted on
12/14/2001 11:42:37 PM PST by
mrobison
To: spycatcher
Let's go to war with China. After we're done kicking the butts of the poorest, least well-trained "army" in the world, our President can pound his chest and tell us all how great the mighty U.S. war machine is. Then we'll turn it on a few more impoverished countries like Somolia and the Philipines to keep our confidence up. And then we'll go attack China. Won't we?
17 posted on
12/14/2001 11:53:40 PM PST by
Demidog
To: spycatcher
good one! who can doubt the chicoms are bin laden's biggest fans?
31 posted on
12/15/2001 12:25:41 AM PST by
dennisw
To: spycatcher
"On another note, Thomas believes President Bush's decision to pull out of the ABM treaty will cause Russia and China to strengthen their ties to the detriment of the United States. "It's in China's interest to see the U.S. destablilized," he added".This does not look good at all!
To: spycatcher; OKCSubmariner
CHINAChina has developed increasingly close ties with the Taliban and, according to news reports, recently signed a memorandum of understanding for more economic and technical cooperation. The memorandum is the most substantial part of a series of Chinese contacts with Afghanistan over the last two years. China now has the closest relationship with the isolated Kabul regime of any non-Muslim country, a senior Western diplomat said.
China has helped form the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which joins it with Russia and four Central Asian countries in a loose grouping. One of its main purposes is to combat cross-border terrorism, specifically from Afghanistan. But at the same time, China has dealt with the Taliban as part of an effort to persuade its officials to close Afghan-based camps that are used to train Muslim separatists from China's restive Xinjiang region. Those separatists on occasion re-enter China and launch attacks on China's security services or civilian targets.
As part of a sweetener to secure cooperation from the Taliban leadership, Asian diplomats say, China has dangled the prospect of providing Afghanistan with much needed infrastructure and economic development assistance. The new agreement was reported on Tuesday. A Chinese delegation signed the deal in Kabul with the Taliban's mining minister, Mulla Muhammad Ishaq, news reports said.
To: spycatcher
Book says China involved in 9-11 attacks -- Beijing used bin Laden to assault U.S., claims authorObviously a brilliant Chicom plan to boost US arms spending and ensure funding for Ballistic Missile Defense. Very clever, these orientals.
What a load of old bollocks.
To: spycatcher
To: spycatcher
Let's see if this stuff can be verified first...
To: spycatcher
BTW .....MEGA BUMP
To: spycatcher
bump for later reading.
"The enemy of my enemy (raghead bin laden) is my (china) friend"
To: spycatcher
Some select reviews of other Gordon Thomas books:
Chaos Under Heaven
"More B-movie journalism from the prolific Thomas (Journey into Madness, Desire and Denial, etc.) ... he interviewed virtually no high- ranking officials in either America or China, and by his soap-opera style, as he switches from White House meetings to domestic quarrels between Chinese nationals. Unconvincing infotainment." -- Kirkus Reviews
Enslaved: The Chilling Modern-Day Story of Abduction and Abuse in the Global Trafficking of Men, Women and Children
"Confusing hodgepodge that purports to expose a modern-day global slave trade. Prolific investigative journalist Thomas (Chaos Under Heaven; Journey Into Madness: Mind Control and the CIA Secrets; etc.) delivers only unsubstantiated and lurid tales ... read like the Hardy Boys battling the Evil Empire." -- Kirkus Reviews
Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad
"Not all stories in Thomas' book are at variance with the established record. However ... it is difficult to determine their credibility ... Despite significant doubts about the accuracy and evident incompleteness of some of its accounts ... its obvious promotion of the Mossad and Israeli strength significantly detracts from its credibility. Ultimately, however, Thomas' book comes across as complicit in Israeli efforts to define themselves." -- The MIT Electronic Journal of Middle East Studies
55 posted on
12/15/2001 2:22:42 AM PST by
angkor
To: spycatcher; all
In his book, Thomas contends that hours after the plane landed in Kabul, CIA Director George Tenet received a coded "red alert" message from Israeli Mossad agents that presented a "worst case scenario" that China would use a surrogate, bin Laden, to attack the United States. Thomas also claims that the head of Pakistan's intelligence service was in Washington to meet with Tenet on Sept. 11, and that he briefed Tenet that day on the links between bin Laden and China.
The intelligence agent "told [Tenet] that China had made a decisive decision," wrote Thomas. "It was prepared to infuriate America and its allies in supporting bin Laden and the Taliban because Afghanistan fitted into China's own long-term strategic plans."
My immediate thought after reading this article: How would author Gordan Thomas be privy to all this information about private messages from Israeli Mossad agents and conversations between the head of the CIA and the head of Pakistani intelligence?
To: spycatcher
The only non sequitor I see in the above is Russia cozying up to China over the US withdrawal from the ABM treaty. It could happen, but I don't see Russia believing it to be a grand idea, as the FSU is gaining too much from its new friendship with the US and I don't see the big gain, long or short term, for them as the friends of the monsters in China. Putin has made a lot of choices to move away from China and toward the US since he took command.
To: spycatcher
I am sure all the warhawk pseudo-conservatives here are having a collective wargasm about now.
80 posted on
12/15/2001 11:26:19 AM PST by
Zviadist
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