BS or Refrigeration Breakthrough?

Kelix web site and Popular Science (1/2002) ^

[John Jamieson]

Looks to me like conventional refrigerants require too high a pressure for such a simple machine to work. See web site for picture, etc. Anyone have a scientific as opposed to emotional thought on the subject?

[shezza]

Cool!!

[John Jamieson]

Wouldn't be easier to just go over to freelectricity.com and get one of their sundance generators and use the old ac?

[Nov3]

i am going to look at their website but it appears to be a centrifugal chiller of which there are many in operation. I haven't had a chance to look at it thoroughly yet though

[Petronski]

Can the Freelectricity generator he described as a perpetual motion machine?

Since the generator is powered from a constant energy source in the form of gravity and permanent magnets it should run nonstop for a very long period of time. The estimated life expectancy of the unit is over a hundred years.

[cyberaxe]

newer `scroll' compressors.

.....new?.....

[John Jamieson]

Whoops! Link has typo. SB www.kelix.com/news.html (not htlm)

[John Jamieson]

Best described as a scam for getting $5 from a million people. Be more like a perpetual money machine.

[capt. norm]

But then again remember that the current compressors are reciprocating devices. The old saying that much of the power developed by a reciprocating engine goes toward its own self-destruction. Every lenghty deiscussion on marine diesel engines (after the second six-pack) brings this old saw out from one of the participants at some point.

[mrsmith]

Here's a link to a diagram of it: HERE.

Time will tell if it is practical, at least it doesn't overturn any physics laws.

[John Jamieson]

Anybody know how to calculate how fast this thing has to turn to get the gas to a couple hundred psi so it will condense?

[balrog666]

It sounds to me like it will not replace air conditioners but supplement them by providing a means to operate cheaply and provide a small (and I do mean small) bit of cooling when needed. That might be convenient but it will not make much of an impact.

[John Jamieson]

If it works small and cheap why wouldn't it work big and cheap?

[balrog666]

If it works small and cheap why wouldn't it work big and cheap?

Big is never cheap.

[Fzob]

Fascinating concept.

Without giving it much thought, I believe it will certainly work. The real question is what are the ton's / HP. I see nothing to indicate that this device would make any signifcant improvements in that area. Although the elimination of a conventional compressor is a majors plus.

[Francohio]

Some, percentage of existing compressors are still reciprocal. But the good old recip, which is still best in some apps, has been in general phase-out since the late 70's, Cap. Nary a new one left on the automotive scene, for example.

Ya got your vane types, your scroll types, and your screw types (helical).

[JRandomFreeper]

And there is ammonia-absorption-cycle refrigeration that is over 100 years old, and does not use a compressor at all. Jade Mountain sells an ammonia-absorption-cycle refrigerator that runs on a kerosene pilot light.

/john

[Moonman62]

"It's really a pioneering invention," Perkowski said. "But inventions are generally the enemy of ideas in production. It might be received hostilely by industry leaders."

This is the sentence I knew I'd find. The old "there is a conspiracy against us excuse." It has scam written all over it.