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To: Asclepius
Folks intent on hating the USSR back into existence should be careful what they wish for.
5 posted on 12/31/2001 4:53:49 PM PST by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Folks intent on hating the USSR back into existence should be careful what they wish for.

Like we are in a postition to prosecute the USSR and not the other way around. Get a grip.

41 posted on 06/15/2002 4:47:07 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: gcruse
Folks intent on hating the USSR back into existence should be careful what they wish for.

Folks intent on proselytising their insults without shame nor appologies better think about joining Johnie Taliban's camp.

50 posted on 09/03/2002 9:01:13 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: gcruse
I do not want to "hate the USSR back into existence". Nor do I think they are a boogeyman.

However, I do believe that KGB Major Golitsyn is the real deal. I believe the long-term deception scenario that he described to the CIA during his defection debriefing is happening.

There is a book called "WEDGE: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA" by Mark Riebling. An online draft version can be found on the author's website http://www.markriebling.com/wedge.html

This book details the problems and rivalries between the FBI and the CIA since its inception. The part concerning Angleton, Hoover, Golitsyn and Nonsenko is as fascinating as it is troubling. I came away believing Angleton and Golitsyn over Hoover and Nonsenko.

Then there are the two books written by Golitsyn. He details close to two hundred global scenarios to watch for. To this date, 94% of these scenarios have come true. This includes the fall of the Berlin Wall. Our own CIA didn't even know it was going to happen until the day it took place, yet Golitsyn detailed it years before.

Golitsyn's story has been confirmed by Czech General Jan Sejna. I cannot remember the name of his book, (maybe Belmont Mark or one of the other gents know it) but in it, he speaks of the same deception scenario that Golitsyn does.

Now all of the above can be coincidences and/or lies made to sell books. I don't believe in coincidences and I trust the judgement of Angleton over Hoover. Angleton spent his career with the best interests of the United States in mind, while Hoover spent his career playing power games and politics.

I reject the idea that Golitsyn is making all this up to sell books (which others have implied). For one, he came to the U.S. in the sixties. He warned us during his debriefing and has continued to write to the CIA every since. He did not write his first book until the 80's. So I think that blows that theory out of the water.

Now maybe I am overly paranoid. However, if anyone actually takes the time to read all of the news article's posted by Orian78, or reads Gertz, Nyquist, Bodansky, Golitsyn, Sejna, Douglas and others, then I think an argument can be made to, at the very least, consider that there is more going on than in the world than terrorism.

As an afterthought, if more people in government were paranoid, maybe 911 wouldn't have taken place. Instead of paranoia, there appears to be institutional arrogance within our intel communities, as well as with the American people themselves. An arrogance that seems to say, "Nothing can hurt us! We're a superpower!"

I blame this on the poor state of education within the US. No one studies history. If we did, we would know that it is filled with the ashes of countries whom thought they could never be defeated.

This is the very reason why I think the deception has been and will continue to work until they are ready to implement.

Maybe I am wearing a tin-foil hat. I don't think so though.

56 posted on 09/06/2002 9:47:52 AM PDT by bat-boy
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