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To: cva66snipe
The whole problem is he never said he wouldn't.

You're right,but he DID say he WOULD. No kidding. When asked if he would sign a bill to keep the AWB on the books,he said "If Cogress passes a bill to do this and sends it to me,I will sign it." What he is silently saying there is he wants Congress to pass this bill. Otherwise he wouldn't have said it the way he did.

Had they turned off the tv for five minutes and read his stands on those issues then they would know.

Yeah,but that would require,.....like actual thinking! It's MUCH easier to rely on kneejerk emotionalism. Just ask any Dim. I'm actually in a arguement right now with "justshutupandtakeit" on another thread about this. He is denying Bubba Bush ever signed a XO to block investigations into pardon selling and vote buying by the Bubbas. He has accused me at least twice of posting lies.

I see the excuse we are at war and must support him.

I gotta tell you,the fact that he SOOO obviously had the whole damn "Office of Reich Security" all typed up and ready to go in the background makes me as suspiscious as hell over this whole thing. The planes hit the tower one day,and the next day he has this whole thing ready to go,including his buddy Tom Ridge as the head of it? WAAAAY too damn convenient!

All is forgiven it seems and MFNTS is a reality.

Of course. Family bidnez is family bidnez,and Bush-1 used to be the Ambassador there.

I look back on simple things and how they were mismanaged from the word go. The Beret issues is an example. The S.O.D. acted like he had never recinded an order before. They studied the issue till it quiety went into policy.

I'm STILL pissed about this one,and am likely to stay that way. Bubba Bush is terrified of offending minorities,and in MY opinion this is why he left Shinseki alone to promote this nonsense. ANY president with any semblence of balls would have just issued orders to stop that nonsense in its tracks and been done with it.

National ID's cards are being bellowed for also.

Ahhh,but just wait until we go to a "cashless society" "to pretect ourselves from terrorists". It's gonna happen,and WILL happen within the next 10 years. We will all be issued debit cards to make ALL purchases with,and cash will not be accepted for ANYTHING. Your debit card will not only double as a actual "National ID",but will also be a INTERNATIONAL ID,as well as your passport. Instant tracking of ANYBODY in the world. Terrorism will be the EXCUSE,but not the real reason. The real reason is total goobernment control on a level Hitler and Stalin only dreamed of. With modern day computing power,ANY individual in the US can be instantly tracked by his purchases. If you start pissing the gooberment off,they can shut you down cold by just cancelling your debit card. No groceries,no gas,no anything. When you get hungry enough,report in to the nearest police station to get a meal. Buy,HEY! You are going to be safe,right?

BTW,once the above program is in place and running,international terrorism WILL end instantly. The New World Order will be a accomplished fact instead of a nightmare,and they will no longer have any need for terrorists. Terrorists will find their funding will dissapear,and the police will suddenly discover where they are hiding and arrest them all.

It's not Dem vs GOP issues anymore that era is past.

That's because the Republicans no longer exist as a seperate party. They are now a minor branch of the Dim Party.

59 posted on 01/16/2002 1:50:04 AM PST by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Thanks you said what I tried to a lot better than I ever could. BTW Look up one of The_Eaglets old threads me & justshutupandtakeit used to have some lively discussions in them as well. I did leave out the all time favorite often posted response as well that goes something like this "You just don't understand the political system you are a one issue voter". Well either we think for oursellves or someone will do it for us in nice 30-60 second sound bites. Right now I think I'll stop for the night and get some sleep.
62 posted on 01/16/2002 2:06:12 AM PST by cva66snipe
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To: sneakypete,nunya bidness,harpseal,squantos
>>>>With modern day computing power,ANY individual in the US can be instantly tracked by his purchases. If you start pissing the gooberment off,they can shut you down cold by just cancelling your debit card. No groceries,no gas,no anything. When you get hungry enough,report in to the nearest police station to get a meal.<<<<

Exactly. The safest society is a police state, and we will be safer the more control that the state has over us.

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

~~~Daniel Webster

89 posted on 01/16/2002 7:24:29 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: sneakypete;Benighted
There's sure a lot of people that just can't believe that the government would/will track us, the 'good people'.

While I can't pinpoint the date exactly, approximatley 5 years ago, I was catching the news on the Christian Broadcast Network (?)--at the start of Pat Robertson's 700 Club--and they mentioned a computer story they would be featuring shortly....so I hung around to see what that was about.

The story was about a computer so fast that it would take every man, woman, and child in the US figuring 24/7 from that point (early May) til the end of the year to figure out an answer this computer came up with in something like 1/2 or 1 nano second!

They went on to describe a program it was currently working....a 'model' city of 250,000 people--supposedly, it was being used to determine traffic patterns so the city could better plan their transportation needs. The story mentioned the National Lab, Sandia, in NM--but I can't remember if it was because the computer was connected to theirs OR if if was a work of art created by Sandia! I do remember feeling anxiety over this.

A town of 250,000 might not seem like much....but consider, prior to the Census, in working groups, you could watch on TV as they demonstrated maps they had for all the counties and cities, clear down to identifying individual apartments in a building. This has been reinforced by listening to a boring HUD meeting back when Cisneros was the Secy--a meeting where they used an overhead projector to flip right into an address in San Francisco (has a hell of a lot more than 250,000 people)--and it was just seconds from taking the map down from the Frisco area down to the neighborhood, street, and individual building!

And also, as I just recently found out, the United States Postal Service keeps databases of all addresses; they certainly keep track of who lives there.

I've flagged, Benighted, to this post to see if she can recall during all the OSCE/FATF/BANKING/KYC research if she ever came across any tenacles suggestive of international tracking/id. Her stab at research was a lot later than mine was. Just to make a comment or two, the OSCE or OECS or whatever the blazes alphabet it really is consists of something like 26 nations that control banking around the world--actually more than banking--it involves law enforcement, procecutions, making uniform forfeiture/punishment laws for the world. The black-balling of the Caribbean Island nations is a result of this group of 26 (though I believe there is a much narrower core group of nations) demanding their tax laws come into conformance to what OSCE wants.

Sneakypete, it is amazing what people will do when they become hungry....or worse yet, when their little children become hungry. This 'safety' thing is a woman's emotional need, like 'security'. Its a damn shame that soccer moms and the Bots think Bubba Bush is gonna save them, or any government for that matter.

Americans are hung up with this "I am important"....in the scheme of things, we are but individual pissants......if fedgov didn't give a damn about the POWS/MIAS left behind in WWII, Korea, and 'Nam--if trade was more important that the men who defended this nation--what makes you think you are more important than a pissant?

107 posted on 01/16/2002 11:20:46 AM PST by Rowdee
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