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U.S. finances immigrant baby boom
Denver Post ^ | February 17, 2002 | Al Knight

Posted on 02/17/2002 10:08:40 AM PST by sarcasm

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To: Thorn11cav
Time for the INS to clean up the mushroom farms and chicken processors.( Not literally)

It is AMERICANS who are hiring illegals. Close these criminal enterprises down, forfeiture of farms, factories and homes with a few years in the big house will change the immigration pattern.

US Code Title 8 Section 1324

(iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

(B) A person who violates subparagraph (A) shall, for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs - (i) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i) or (v)(I)or in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii), or (iv) in which the offense was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, be fined under title 18,imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both;

(ii) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(ii), (iii),(iv), or (v)(II), be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both;

(iii) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii),(iii), (iv), or (v) during and in relation to which the person causes serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of title 18) to, or places in jeopardy the life of, any person, be fined under title 18, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both; and

(iv) in the case of a violation of subparagraph (A)(i), (ii),(iii), (iv), or (v) resulting in the death of any person, be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined under title 18, or both.

The law is on the books, 5yrs for harboring an illegal, Linda Chavez please note, 10 yrs for employing an illegal, Tyson execs please note, and 20 yrs to the death penalty if the illegal you harbor comits a crime!.

Add to this Title 18 "Forfeiture of assets." and there are enough laws to deal with AMERICANS who hire, harbor and protect illegal immigrants.

21 posted on 02/17/2002 12:44:34 PM PST by ijcr
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To: sarcasm
...for a grand total of $30 million.

IMHO, this is how to frame the debate. I'd like to see somebody like Tancredo propose an "Guestworker Financial Impact Statement Law" whereby the states calculate how much Bush's proposal to give amnesty to 3.5 million illegal Mexicans will cost them - schools, healthcare, policing, traffic congestion, pollution - and bill the federal government. Money could come out of application fees for guestworker status and/or special taxes on those who employ them.

Companies who employ illegal aliens profit by paying them low wages and dumping the social costs on the rest of us. It's no different than dumping untreated pollution onto public land to save money.

22 posted on 02/17/2002 12:48:21 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: ijcr
The law is on the books, 5yrs for harboring an illegal, Linda Chavez please note, 10 yrs for employing an illegal, Tyson execs please note, and 20 yrs to the death penalty if the illegal you harbor comits a crime!.
Add to this Title 18 "Forfeiture of assets." and there are enough laws to deal with AMERICANS who hire, harbor and protect illegal immigrants.

BINGO! I've said it before, but I'm so proud of my analogy that I'll say it again:

Illegals are the bugs and people who employ them are the porch light. You can either stand outside all night swatting at the bugs, or you can TURN OFF THE LIGHT!

23 posted on 02/17/2002 12:52:44 PM PST by Arleigh
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To: Arleigh
I've seen estimates that the 1986 amnesty cost the taxpayers in excess of $ 80 billion - this was as of a few years ago and the cost was still climbing. Wonder why your tax rates are so high?
24 posted on 02/17/2002 12:55:13 PM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm; ALL
Here's an email I've sent my congress-critters today,

Dear XXXXX:

I am writing to express my concern at Congress’s continued lack of progress in controlling this nation’s borders. While Congress talks of “amnesty” or “guest workers”, the American taxpayers shell out billions in tax dollars to pay health care, education, and other support for criminal aliens and their “anchor baby” offspring. While an illegal alien need only show up at the hospital and give birth, fully paid for by the taxpayer, our veterans face long waits and substandard care. Once born, the parents can have their own deportation deferred for the “good of the child”, never mind that they are criminals and the child made a citizen under illicit and constitutionally questionable circumstances.

This has got to stop.

Toward that end, I hope that you will take action by authoring or supporting a bill to remove automatic citizenship to children born of non-citizen parents. The language of the 14th Amendment includes a clause “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” when describing who can be made citizens by birth. THIS CLAUSE NEEDS TO BE TESTED! If a Mexican citizen is charged with a crime in the United States, that person is entitled to receive assistance from the Mexican Consulate, as the Mexican government has been so fond of pointing out in regards to certain death penalty cases involving Mexican citizen defendants. Obviously, a case can be made that children of such people are not subject to United States jurisdiction, and in fact, they only need to choose whether they’ll have US citizenship upon their 18th birthday (under current law) or retain their Mexican citizenship.

As Congress seems happy to test the 1st Amendment by passing Campaign Finance Reform, thereby removing certain Constitutional rights that do exist, I think it only fitting that a bill be introduced that removes certain rights and privileges that DO NOT EXIST. Therefore, please introduce and/or support legislation that will forever remove the “anchor baby” syndrome, and thus reduce the attraction for people to immigrate here via illegal means.

Feel free to use it or amend it as needed.

LTS

25 posted on 02/17/2002 1:06:43 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon
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To: Arleigh
No. It is a simple recognition of numbers. There is nothing wrong with Spanish being the official language of Mexico. Similarly, English should be the official language of the US. That you hate Jews was evident from your response to me.
26 posted on 02/17/2002 1:07:27 PM PST by rebdov
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To: Bob J
California, Arizona and Texas complained about the fiscal impact of health care of hundreds of thousands of aliens for decades and the rest of the country said "piss off". Now, Colorado has 6000 taxpayer payed hospital stays and the sky is falling.

Sleep well America, you made the bed.

Bump that.




27 posted on 02/17/2002 1:09:20 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: ijcr
BTTT But be careful Chavez is considered a "conservative" icon and as you know critiquing "conservative" icons is verboten.
28 posted on 02/17/2002 1:14:11 PM PST by junta
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To: Arleigh
Impact statement bump I live in a town that houses the illegal aliens who clean and mow the lawn of all those Republicans who complain about the xenophobia of all those conservative nasties, and of course we pay out the nose for the privilege.
29 posted on 02/17/2002 1:16:54 PM PST by junta
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To: glc1173@aol.com
I knew of a woman who was 'imported" from Germany by a major company to have her baby here in the U.S., and then she was went back to Germany. That's what she said she was here for.

Kinda creepy. How many other countries send their pregnant women over here to claim citizenship for the next generation? When will all these German - American citizens demand their place here?

What's going on here?

30 posted on 02/17/2002 1:29:40 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: concerned about politics
"I knew of a woman who was 'imported" from Germany by a major company to have her baby here in the U.S., and then she was went back to Germany. That's what she said she was here for. Kinda creepy. How many other countries send their pregnant women over here to claim citizenship for the next generation? When will all these German - American citizens demand their place here?

I doubt that even 1% of all Germans (not Turk "guestworkers") with dual American citizenship will ever seek to live here. Why? Because Germany - unlike Mexico - is an affluent nation. Because Germany - unlike Mexico - isn't a "banana republic" pretense of a free society. Because Germans don't have to go abroad to find work.

31 posted on 02/17/2002 1:35:39 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: sarcasm
Border Patrol agents along the 2,000-mile border makes a return to the United States much more difficult, say immigration experts.

Shouldn't that be a good thing? If these people are 'illegal', why are they still here?

32 posted on 02/17/2002 1:40:21 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: glc1173@aol.com
I doubt that even 1% of all Germans

My point is not that German - Americans are gonna fill up the nation.
My point was that SHE WAS SENT HERE JUST TO HAVE A BABY and go home. Her baby was to be citizenized. That's all she was here for.
How many others are doing it, and why?

33 posted on 02/17/2002 1:55:28 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: sarcasm;Sabertooth;SpookBrat;FITZ
What are we going to do about it? Laws mean nothing when illegal aliens are concerned. You read the link I posted earlier about the situation here.

Here is another one from FITZ.

HOUSTON (AP) -- A criminal investigation was launched Monday after complaints that a county hospital district is forcing the public to fund non-emergency health care for illegal immigrants.

District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal is investigating the Harris County Hospital District. The complaint was filed by the Young Conservatives of Texas.

''I commented to several people that, 'I can't proceed without a complaint,' but with all the attention I was sure I would get one,'' he said.

The prosecutor said he agrees with an opinion issued by Texas Attorney General John Cornyn earlier this month on a 1996 federal law.

Cornyn interpreted the law to say that states cannot provide non-emergency health care to illegal immigrants unless the state legislature has enacted a law allowing such expenditures since 1996.

Cornyn said Texas has no such law and recommended that Harris County's hospital district stop offering such services.

Harris County, Dallas County, Bexar County and El Paso County have continued providing the care to illegal immigrants, saying to stop doing so would threaten public health, clog emergency rooms and result in a larger expense to taxpayers.

The law says STOP!! The hospitals say AIN'T GONNA' DO IT!! And we end up picking up the tab for these people.

When are we going to force government to do their jobs and enforce the laws? And that starts with arresting and deporting illegal aliens. What part of ILLEGAL doesn't this administration understand?

35 posted on 02/17/2002 2:54:06 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: Brownie74
The same thing goes on at all the schools. All along the border, people bring van loads of kids over to go to US schools tuition free. That way they keep their own property taxes very low and let the Americans pay for the education of their kids ---and they've insisted that education be done in Spanish --so it is.
36 posted on 02/17/2002 2:56:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Arleigh
Well put. Illegal immigration is a zero sum game...corporations get under market labor while citizens eat the bill.
37 posted on 02/17/2002 3:07:58 PM PST by spanky_mcfarland
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To: FITZ
It just doesn't make any sense to me. I am so disgusted I could pull my hair out. I don't even know what to say anymore.
38 posted on 02/17/2002 3:14:30 PM PST by Brownie74
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To: Brownie74
It is correct to treat sick people on your doorstep, I would not think of turning away an injured human being on my porch.

These hospital administrators also have the responsability to reort the illegal alien to the law enforcement agencies, once again the IIRIRA should be brought to bear. USC Title 8 section 1324.

iii) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that an alien has come to, entered, or remains in the United States in violation of law, conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, such alien in any place, including any building or any means of transportation;

It's five years per alien,toss one administrator in the can and throw away the key. Watch the reporting rate sky rocket.

39 posted on 02/17/2002 3:28:17 PM PST by ijcr
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To: sarcasm;The Battman;Budge;Travelgirl;FreeThe South!;wirestripper;parsifal;wattsup;tall4myage...
It seems to be worse than we thought.
40 posted on 02/17/2002 3:35:28 PM PST by sweetliberty
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