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To: xzins; the_doc; RnMomof7; CCWoody
"Why would the devil go about as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, if he isn't going to get EVEN ONE of those that God chose for heaven? Nor will he lose even one of those that God chose for hell."

You really think that the devil can snatch anyone out of Christ's hand? If so, then go back and read John Chapter 10.

Also, what is your conception of the devil's final state? Does he win anything, at all? Will he enjoy the fruit of his rebellion against God? Of course not. My Bible says:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Revelation 20:10

Of course, you still continue to side-step the question that is important for the here and now. I will answer it for you: The devil does have the power to confuse God's people. He has the ability to fill our minds with all kinds of faulty thinking. Thus the Scpriptural warnings to beware of his cunning. All Christians are succeptable to satanic delusion, especially those who don't think it can happen to them.

19 posted on 02/26/2002 8:11:11 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: Jerry_M
Of course, you still continue to side-step

It is not side-stepping to very publicly claim in the above post and elsewhere that I WILL not deal with the subject because it has been personalized. You probably need to look at the definition of side-step.

I DIRECTLY answered you that I would not get into it.

I'm amused that you felt the need to deal with the subject anyway. Perhaps you had a hidden agenda. That's between you and God.

You haven't addressed Wesley's point.

Why would the devil try to DEVOUR SOULS if it is impossible with the tulip God for him to do so? He cannot win those who have been chosen. He cannot lose those who have been damned.

It is exactly the same logic as that used by some Christians who believe strongly in the tulip God. They believe that since God has ALREADY CHOSEN and there's nothing they can do or could ever have been done to change that, then there's no sense in worrying about anyone going to heaven or anyone going to hell. It's all set in stone, so "don't worry, be happy."

21 posted on 02/26/2002 8:21:06 AM PST by xzins
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