[Jerry_M]

Come now, do you really think that we proponents of that doctrine of predestination (so abhored by John Wesley) don't think that Satan has power? We have demonstrated, on other threads, that he certainly does have the ability to deceive even God's people. Come to think about it, you never did answer my earlier question. Do you think that you are immune from satanic deception?

BTW, my biggest beef with Wesley was his un-Christian attack upon his friend, George Whitfield. However, I think he has had ample time to realize his error and apologize to his friend by now.

[xzins]

Wesley makes valid inferences from the end results of the teachings of calvinism. Why would hell recruit when everything is already determined? They need only stand by and wait.

Jerry, I am a child of the Lord Jesus.

[Ward Smythe]

BTW, my biggest beef with Wesley was his un-Christian attack upon his friend, George Whitfield. However, I think he has had ample time to realize his error and apologize to his friend by now.

Actually Jerry, they patched up their differences, or at the very least their relationship here on earth. Wesley preached at Whitefield's funeral:

The following quote is from the close of John Wesley's funeral oration at Whitefield's Memorial Service on Sunday 18th November 1770.

“I may close this head with observing what an honour it pleased God to put upon His faithful servant, by allowing him to declare His ever lasting Gospel in so many various countries, to such numbers of people, and with so great an effect on so many of their precious souls.

“Have we read or heard of any person since the apostles, who testified the Gospel of the grace of God, through so widely extended a space, through so large a part of the habitable world? Have we read or heard of any person, who called so many thousands, so many myriads of sinners to repentance? Above all, have we read or heard of any, who has been a blessed instrument in the hand of God, of bringing so many sinners from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God?”

Source

So, now you can at least let him off the hook for that one. ;-)

[RnMomof7]

Come now, do you really think that we proponents of that doctrine of predestination (so abhored by John Wesley) don't think that Satan has power? We have demonstrated, on other threads, that he certainly does have the ability to deceive even God's people. Come to think about it, you never did answer my earlier question. Do you think that you are immune from satanic deception?

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

There is lots and lots of self deception as well as demonic deception is the church today..