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To: FastCoyote; orwell's oracle; knarf; RnMomOf7
If I remember it correctly from 8th grade...

We, the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, Promote the general welfare and to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

Show me how drug use is not against domestic tranquility; show me how drug use that destroys lives and minds through free, legal use does not do this. How exactly does encouraging drug use through legalization promote the general welfare?

Show me how allowing sodomites to teach in schools is securing domestic tranquility, by allowing these perverts to brainwash our kids and abuse our children. Show me how the normalization of this perversion promotes the general welfare?

Show me how allowing Homosexual marriages secures the blessings of Liberty and promotes the general welfare all the while these perverts have spread an incurable disease to the general population, to those who only had an operation, or needed a bone marrow transplant, or happened to get a needle stick in an emergency room. Libertarians fight for those perverts rights.

Show me how prostitution secures domestic tranquility by ruining families, by spreading disease, and then show me how demanding medical checks of these prtostitutes does not abrogate their rights to do what they please! Show me how the spread of veneral disease and AIDS promotes the general welfare. Libertarians constantly fight for the right to engage in these actions because it 'shows' freedom, and 'doesn't hurt anyone!'

Show me how the spread of pornography, which has been linked to the rape of women by some who have recently viewed it, and the spread of immoral dress and sexual ideas that are rampant in society, on television, and in the pop Queens like Britany Spears, how Playboy models are considered role models for actresses, spokespersons for products, chosen for Hollywood film roles, and tv gossip shows: Show me how all that, which libertarians fought for, has increased the blessings of liberty and promoted the general welfare of this country.

Show me how the immorality that Libertarianism demands does any of these things, secures the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. Show me how the immorality that Libertarianism demands promotes the general welfare.

Parental laws against these things tried to stop it or at least keep it to a minimum. Libertarians want these laws repealed, so there can be more of these perversions.

18 posted on 03/02/2002 6:17:09 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
How exactly does encouraging drug use through legalization promote the general welfare?

Encouraging drug use does not promote the general welfare. You err in assuming that ending the WOD is the same as encouraging use.

23 posted on 03/02/2002 6:21:11 PM PST by RJCogburn
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To: RaceBannon
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN!
31 posted on 03/02/2002 6:33:44 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: RaceBannon
Libertarians want these laws repealed, so there can be more of these perversions.

Libertarians oppose laws banning "victimless vices," so that government will get its nose out of lots of things where it otherwise will inexorably become everybody's nanny.

I am not entirely sympathetic with this, but I think that politically we'd be better off if we restricted our government bans to obnoxious temptations and publicly visible blights (e.g. drug pushers, public intoxication, etc.). The private sector (churches, etc.) has seriously atrophied while in essence ceding the keys to the kingdom to Uncle Sam.

71 posted on 03/02/2002 9:34:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: RaceBannon
Parental laws against these things tried to stop it or at least keep it to a minimum. Libertarians want these laws repealed, so there can be more of these perversions.

Pious platitudes for the children how commendable, high morals with no ideals whatsoever. Most who disagree with you, disagree not because of your one-size-fits-all morality, but because there is no institution left able to justly enforce or carry out your plan. A morally bankrupt government can no longer be trusted to faithfully judge the actions of the citizenry anymore than a crack-whore can trusted with the collection plate at church.
Government has abandoned their primary responsibility of protecting the people, as we the people have to step in where government failed, we the people will take a more active role in defining morality. Unless you sport a badge, there is little you can do to stop it.

78 posted on 03/03/2002 12:30:43 AM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: RaceBannon
Re post #18. These issues are best controlled by a local govt. It is the federal bench, that rules that pornography is protected speech, that schools cannot discriminate against homosexual schoolteachers, that mandated bussing of our children from suburban schools to inner city schools. If you want to live in a clean, drug free, prostitution free zone, return control to the local level, some areas will allow the usage of drugs, prostitution and gay marriage. Avoid those areas, as will most sane people, and the market place of ideas wins without the feds. Mandating control by the federal govt does not stop the things you hate, it makes sure they are spread out evenly, from suburb to city. Returning control to the local level, will ensure that there will be enclaves of what you would call sanity and morality, amongst the evils of vice. Don't like the laws of California? You could move to Idaho where people feel like you do. It is called freedom of association, and it is what used to drive the problems of immoral behaviour into the outskirts of society. People like to live in nice areas, and will move there to experience what makes them happy and comfortable.
108 posted on 03/04/2002 3:56:09 AM PST by jeremiah
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