[RaceBannon]

But, Rush Limbaugh asures us that 'Conservatism' is a winner!!!

< Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. At least some here believe in limited government, but too many have abandoned the moral imperatives that made conservativism work.

[Texasforever]

Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals

Man I hope your flame proof underwear is on. LOL

[BluesDuke]

Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. At least some here believe in limited government, but too many have abandoned the moral imperatives that made onservativism work.

You would be hard pressed to find a legitimate libertarian (or Libertarian; it behooves us to note, once again, that not all libertarians join the Libertarian Party) who rejects limited government; indeed, we libertarians (think of many enough of us as conservatives who have been mugged by reality) say the more limited the government, the better.

As for the moral imperatives, I'll speak strictly for myself here: I have not and would not abandon them. Nor would many other libertarians. But I do not believe it's the government's legitimate mission to enforce them (we may ask those in government to live as best they can by them but nothing more than that), especially given the government's track record of late in staying the hell out of matters for which it is neither competent nor Constitutionally welcome. Show me a member of government - left or right, I should hasten to say - talking about rejuvenating our moral positions and I'll show you a member of the government who has a few dozen more violations of citizens' rights up his or her sleeve.

The government's legitimate mission is nothing more than protecting you as a citizen and all citizens from predators at home (real predators, if you please, not mere vicemongers) and enemies from abroad and that is all she wrote, period dot period. Government that has advanced beyond that is no longer government but is, rather, the State. We turn to the church or the synagogue for upholding and enhancing the moral imperative, that is their proper and legitimate mission.

Let me offer up a separation of church and State that anyone short of a theocrat-in-waiting should be able to live with: keep the State the hell out of the morality business (I hate to phrase it "morality business," but when the State gets involved you'd be hard pressed to find that it hasn't become anything better than a predatory racket that abrogates rather than protects a citizen's life, liberty or property...just ask the late, unlamented Taliban) and back into the business of protecting citizens' lives, liberty, and property, and otherwise butting the hell out of a citizen's business unless - big unless - said citizen would obstruct or abrogate a fellow citizen's equivalent rights. And let the church and synagogue tend our morality and spirituality, without molestation by the State, bothering about political business only to the extent that the church or synagogue's teaching informs our behaviour amidst our familes, our fellows, and yea, verily, even if we are damn fool enough to seek a life of politics.

[FastCoyote]

< Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. At least some here believe in limited government, but too many have abandoned the moral imperatives that made conservativism work

That is an absolute lie. Every libertarian on this board would be happy as punch to go back to a strict Constitution. For example, the drug war is nowhere in the Constitution, it is a Conservative poohbah.

[RJCogburn]

Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. At least some here believe in limited government, but too many have abandoned the moral imperatives that made conservativism work.

I think most libertarians would espouse limited government, the rollback of the welfare state, strict construction of the Constitution

I guess that it is the question of morality that sticks in your craw, but I think many, perhaps most libertarians agree with that as well. The difference is that the first three on the list require a government to be small and stay out of our lives. The fourth, for some, asks for a government that forces certain behavior upon all. Big difference.

[RnMomof7]

< Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. At least some here believe in limited government, but too many have abandoned the moral imperatives that made conservativism work.

Yep this is the original home of "talibornagain".

It has gotten so that many do not even know a conservative stance anymore..sad!

[Eagle Eye]

Once again you would rather turn the discussion into an anti-libertarian discussion instead of defending Conservatism and the present adminstration which was the topic.

Would you please explain how expanding the Dept of Ed and passing the Patriot Act are consistent with Conservatism? If you cannot, are you willing to admit that W is NOT a Conservative (even Rush says he's not acting like one) but a Moderate?

This has nothing to do with Libertarians, so please stay on topic.

[Mr. Bungle]

"Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. "

That's fine by me. The only interesting arguments left to be had are between libertarians and conservatives, anyway.

[Khepera]

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Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals. At least some here believe in limited government, but too many have abandoned the moral imperatives that made conservativism work.

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[Old Fud]

Here on this forum, espousing conservative principles is attacked from the Libertarians more than the liberals.

I'm not so sure. While there are the occasional "swing from the chandeliers as long as it doesn't hurt anyone" posts, I think conservative principles take many more hits from Republicans here.

The big tent crowd seems wholly unconcerned with big gub, and largely unaware of the stated goals of this forum.