Bringing up boys: James Dobson shares concerns spoken recently at annual NRB convention

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, March 19, 2002 | James Dobson

[JohnHuang2]

Tuesday, March 19, 2002

Quote of the Day by MoscowMike

[RLK]

Dobson is correct, but short of a revolution with blood running in the streets, nothing will change.

[goldstategop]

The Left is trying to remake America from inside out. We'll be very lucky to have a country by the time they're done.

[RLK]

Do we have a country now. You don't have control over your kids, You hatch them whereupon the liberal establishment takes them over and converts them into mindless soulless monsters.

[LadyDoc]

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for the early morning risers

[knarf]

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[Guenevere]

#2....Dobson is correct, but short of a revolution, with blood running in the streets, nothing will change.....

RLK, unless it affects your child or your neighbor's child or my child, you're probably right.

I once was quite the idealist, and thought a moral cause would be sufficient unto itself to make people respond & work to bring about the right results.

Dobson has been sounding the alarm for years & years.........and he will continue to do so until his dying breath, no doubt....

Many have responded to truth of what he says..........the awful, undeniable truth...... but as so often is the case..
... the same folks...
.. the same community...
... the same church...
... the same organization ......help him ring those alarm bells.....over and over...

....and grow weary in the process.

I've often heard, as I'm sure you have, the saying..."So goes California, so goes the rest of the nation"......especially as regards to mandated school 'trends'....

Through the years I have watched these 'trends' wind their way down to our little town.....especially one particular program, where the mostly conservative folks, the church folks, parents... fought it tooth & nail.
We actually won.
It can be done, mandate or not!

We think.....sometimes I think.....all will be well, Bill Clinton is not president anymore.

I KNOW.....I know that is wishful thinking......incorrect thinking.....stupid thinking.

I know there needs to be constant vigil!

RLK, you mentioned 'revolution, and blood in the streets'......

MINUS the blood in the streets (certainly not from our side, propaganda from the other side notwithstanding!)....the Pro-life community DID try a revolution of sorts .....oh about 14 years ago.

Folks were willing to go to jail by sitting in front of the doors of an abortion clinic...(the police call it trespassing)....

Thousands of folks all over the country were willing to (and actually did) do this.

It might have worked......it might have stemmed the tide .....IF the mainline churches and the media and the rest of the folks helped create a groundswell...........instead of demonizing the protesters & causing division within the churches that supported this attempt to thwart the plans of the left....

We won some battles, but Planned Parenthood won the war.......

....AND we still have abortion....

... and the gays are still promoting their agenda for our young boys....

.... and it's getting worse.... and the slippery slope gets steeper.....

But you see, RLK, many folks didn't want to get involved..........
...cause it wasn't their child needing an abortion......and they didn't want to be embarrassed by standing out on a public sidewalk holding a sign....and the media successfully demonized Pro-lifers to such an extent, that often we were on the defense explaining we were peaceful, we only held signs, we didn't call people 'baby killers'.....and the strongest protest some had taken..... had resulted in arrest.....from trespassing.

RLK, sorry for my diatribe.

I sometimes feel the need to respond, after reading James Dobson's plaintive cry ....once more.

JohnHuang, heartfelt thanks for posting Dobson!

[scripter]

I'm sending this to everyone I know.

[hedgetrimmer]

Thanks for posting this. I have children in California public schools. A friend and I have a developed the lesbian principal theory. Whenever a lesbian principal is appointed to a school, you will start to see the brainwashing commence ferociously. You will have your child come home and announce today was the "day of silence". Where the kids were told not to speak to each other to remind themselves how homosexuals can't speak. One school had a security guard checking to see if any of the kids mocked the "day of silence" and was told to report them to the principal. Then you will have assemblies, where the kids are supposed to reveal deep secrets about themselves. In these assemblies the kids will be encouraged to confess they are homosexual, so the group can learn to accept them. You will also go into classrooms and see posters that say , "if you are a boy who really really likes boys," call this number. You ask the principal, who answers the phone when this number is called? The principal will say "I don't know". You don't know if the child calling the number will get a counselor or a man in a motel room. Either way it doesn't matter to the California educators.They have already prepared your child for adult exploitation, and for a world where morality means nothing.

[Mortimer Snavely]

"Then you will have assemblies, where the kids are supposed to reveal deep secrets about themselves. In these assemblies the kids will be encouraged to confess they are homosexual, so the group can learn to accept them."

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This sort of thing is necessary for the milieu control that is necessary for thought reforming environment. Robert J. Lifton called it "the cult of confession."

People are psychologically coerced into considering passing acquaintences one's closest friends and confidants, and are further coerced into telling them things they'd only tell lifelong friends or God in private. In this way the natural order of human affection is inverted, so that the organization, and not one's relationships of natural affection, is the most important relationship in the neophyte's life.

A thought reforming organization inverts the beneficial effect of talking things over with one’s comrades. Instead, it becomes primarily an act of symbolic surrender, an expression of merging the individual with the organization. Confessions before the group helps thought reformers to totally expose organization members. Ego boundaries become blurred. The boundary between what one wishes to keep private and what one wishes to make public becomes blurred. Using this faux camaraderie, the organization can learn everything possible about the life experiences of individuals, their thoughts, their passions, their fears, and most especially, their weaknesses. A person’s psychological buttons are quickly discovered, and later are pressed incessantly to further manipulate his or her feelings and behavior. All this is explained as “sensitivity training.”

It is a common practice in totalitarian organizations and borderline psychotic religious cults, and is one reason I refer to militant homosexuals and their associates "The Cult of the Anus."

The fact that it is common in schools is cause enough to take up arms.

[dd5339]

The leftist agenda being pushed in public schools is just one of the many reasons that my Wife and I are going to homeschool our children. Even here in fly-over country the left is starting early with their agenda.

Having my wife stay home to take care of and teach our children mean that we are making and going to make many sacrifices. In the end, it will be worth it.

God Bless and Semper Fi!

[Tribune7]

An "I was about to post but searched first" bump

[AUgrad]

As the father of two young boys I am disturbed by the events of the day. However, there is a solution. Spend time with your children. Let them know in no uncertain terms what is expected of them. Be consistant and honest and by all means persistant. DO NOT depend on the schools to teach your children anything other than the three R's. Resist social programming with all your might.

[hedgetrimmer]

Your response was extremely helpful. I am not knowledgeable about brainwashing or thought reform techniques, but I suspected that this is what was happening in the assembly. I now have some information I can show the other parents to help them understand that schools are fast becoming "re-education camps". This is really really scary.

[hedgetrimmer]

BUMP.

[hedgetrimmer]

Here is an exercise asked in an assembly called Breaking down the Walls, by a company called Learning for Living.

cross the line (30 minutes)
Cross the line if...
Are a good kisser
Excellent friend
If you have ever let a friend down in a really big way
You have ever lied to your parents
Have snuck Out of the house without your parents knowing
If one of your parents ever let you down in a big way
Either parent is younger than 35
Either parent is older than 55
Parents are divorced
Considered teachers pet
Received straight A’s on a report card
Received an F on a report card
Received a suspension
Have ever been expelled
Immediate family member is addicted to drugs or alcohol
Ever been drunk
Ever tried an illegal drug (not age related)
If you smoke cigarettes
Have you ever come to school under the influence
Have a close friend or relative who gay or lesbian
Have ever used the term "that is so gay"
If you currently practice abstinence
If you believe we live in a violent society
Have ever been made fun of on this campus
Have ever done anything you shouldn’t have done just to fit in
Have ever made fun of someone on this campus
If you are treated differently because of the color of your skin
Believe that women are treated better in our society
Believe that men are treated better in our society
If you believe you are an attractive person
If someone you trust has told you, you are an attractive person
If you have been in the hospital for two weeks or longer
Immediate family member has had cancer
Know anyone who has attempted suicide
Know anyone who has committed suicide
If you have seriously considered committing suicide
Have ever attempted suicide
If one of your parents has passed away
Learned something about someone you did not know before today
Learned something about yourself that you did not know or that surprised you
Crossed 100% of the time when you could

From your information, it looks like they are using "confession" as a way to make kids think they are all alike, good or bad. The kids confessed by stepping over a line and showing everyone in the assembly some of their most intimate secrets

[Mortimer Snavely]

Here's some rather technical reading that touches on the psychological mechanics of what we call "brainwashing:" Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, Chapter 22

It's something I see frequently these days. All too many personal and organizational encounters are something out of a very bad psychotherapy session. I am convinced that the ultimate purpose is to destroy a person's capacity for self assertion, self esteem, and self respect, leaving the individual highly susceptible to psychological manipulation.

When practiced by the state sponsored school there is a very good reason indeed to be extremely apprehensive.

[Lizavetta]

I wish more people would give the schools the finger and homeschool. It's not likely they would do more damage than this crap will.

[Mortimer Snavely]

They're softening the kids up for some serious thought reform later on.

[Mortimer Snavely]

Here's some more densely written stuff on the subject: Attitude Channeling and Brainwashing

The exercise you post asks the student to publicly discuss the sort of things you'd talk about only with intimate friends, God, or one's psychologist. The entire student population and school administration doesn't qualify for any of those positions. It's definitely preparation for thought reform.