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How he can compare gay adoption to transracial adoption is beyond me. But, he has to find some way to praise clintbilly, and bash Bush.
1 posted on 03/21/2002 8:08:04 AM PST by mombonn
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To: mombonn
I had to stop reading when the author used "hate-mongerer" in the second paragraph. Im surprised it took so long for that phrase to come out.
2 posted on 03/21/2002 8:11:32 AM PST by FreeTally
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Imagine breaking up families and sentencing thousands of kids to perpetual foster care. Yet, under the guise of family values, that's exactly what some social conservatives would do.

What a bunch of horse pucky. With the long lines for adoptions this is a non starter. Gays and liberals whine a lot alike. Where is the BARF Alert!

4 posted on 03/21/2002 8:20:26 AM PST by American in Israel
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Obviously Mr. hunt has never been through teh adoption agency nightmare. The law may say it is permissible to have interracial adoption but just try to get one through the system. In states such as Connecticut there is a preference for homosexual adoptive parents and for homosexual foster parents. I have a question for Mr. Hunt "If there is such a dearth of heterosexual adoptive parents why are the waiting lists for a child so damn long?" No there are not long waiting lists for children who have aids or some other disease that means a parent knows up front that they are adopting a child under sentence of death. My late wife and knew some people that did adopt such a child but not everyone has that high a ration of sainthood.

The children going to homosexual adoptive parents are the ones for whom the waiting lists are in place. Homosexual adoptive parents do not have to wait. This is the affirmitive action nightmare that is harming little ones.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

5 posted on 03/21/2002 8:21:37 AM PST by harpseal
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There is little doubt a child is better off in a loving environment than when not in one. The question however is not whether these children should be in this environment but whether the state will allow the adoption of these children by their caregivers. The state is not taking children from homosexual foster parents... it is not denying these homes from being foster parents.... it is however not allowing them to be formal and legal parents. This is a very important distinction.

Present me with reason adoption should be legalized and we can talk, presenting me with these are good people is not one. I do not doubt these adults love for the children in their care, and the state is recognizing that these individuals are indeed providing good care for these children by allowing them to live and continue to live with them.... what they are not doing is allowing them to be legally the parents of these children. They are "foster" parents, but not parents at least legally... o(f course I don't think any state agency can tell you who truly you feel your parents are if you are the child in this situation you are going to bond and love as parents those you choose with or without the states ok or permission)... so what is the legal requirement of definition of being a parent? Don't throw the emotion at me, the true legal requirement and definition.... then once that is known a true debate can be made.

This article is about emotion, and it is next to impossible to keep emotion out when you are talking about children without parents I know.

7 posted on 03/21/2002 8:36:24 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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Groups like the Family Research Council, and the Traditional Values Coalition, headed by renowned hate monger Lou Sheldon

Of course, anyone who doesn't think the way Al Hunt thinks is a hate monger - this is the maddening part of liberals' hypocrisy.
Just the act of calling someone a "hate monger" is intolerant.
Like when they refer to (real) conservatives as "Nazi's" - that is such a slanderous and derogatory term, but they toss it about like...well, don't get me started on that...

8 posted on 03/21/2002 8:58:14 AM PST by Psalm 73
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Al Hunt is an idiot. Gays make no better parents than they do priests. For the government to consign a defenseless child into the care of individuals with a mental disorder (SSAD) is an disgraceful act of political capitulation. What's next? Adoption by unrepentant alcoholics who show up to the interview 3 sheets to the wind? How about psychotics? They can provide a 'loving' household as well, I'm sure.

The NYTimes has lost any claim to rationality.
9 posted on 03/21/2002 9:07:44 AM PST by Antoninus
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With the work of Bill Clinton, America's most pro-adoption president,

Uh...which president was "anti-adoption?"

10 posted on 03/21/2002 9:09:17 AM PST by L.N. Smithee
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Already, all the trained seals like Al Hunt are barking in unison. It's the new liberal line, folks -- if you prohibit gay adoption, the kids will be sent to foster families. And you know how those are! Every morning the wicked foster mother will force them to eat gruel before they are sent to toil for fourteen hours in the coal mines!

Two glaring flaws with their theory, for starters. One: normal couples are waiting in line to adopt. There are loads of good homes for those kids. Two: Foster parenting is under government supervision and works pretty well. It is not a replacement for adoption but a way to take care of kids -- usually temporarily -- when there are legal, medical or other valid reasons that rule out adoption. There is not the faintest showing that the kids would be better off with gay adoptive parents. On the contrary, there are good reasons to think a foster home would be markedly healthier.

Note that this liberal braying is really a left-handed way to promote gay marriage as "legitimage" (and to raid employee pension and insurance benefits that were collected for spouses).

11 posted on 03/21/2002 9:09:58 AM PST by T'wit
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With the work of Bill Clinton, America's most pro-adoption president

How can you be both the Pro-abortion President and America's most pro-adoption President?

12 posted on 03/21/2002 9:13:31 AM PST by Always Right
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This lockstep DNC jacka__ is never worth readying. What he should say is that 'allowing' gay adoptions hurts kids because it deprives them of having normal parents: a married couple with one male, daddy, and one female, mommy! Lots of such couples are available for each adoptee and it's tragic to allow them to go to anyone else!
14 posted on 03/21/2002 9:48:07 AM PST by SouthCarolinaKit
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Imagine breaking up families and sentencing thousands of kids to parental homosexual indoctrination.
15 posted on 03/21/2002 9:51:39 AM PST by Gargantua
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c'mon there, mombonn. Al Hunt? Where's the Barf Alert!?

That'll be fifty lashes with a wet noodle...

You should know better!

17 posted on 03/21/2002 10:15:45 AM PST by Mr. Thorne
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As much of an idiot as Hunt is, here's something conservatives MUST think about:

1. If we're against single parent/homosexual parent adoption then every conservative married couple needs to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER adoption or foster care.
2. Same with abortion. If we are pro-life, we should be considering adoption or foster care.

Yes, there ARE a lot of families out their looking to adopt. But the vast majority want healthy, white babies. The kids that are older, or not "perfect" are often left to a lifetime of shuffling between foster homes.

All I'm saying is that the left is right when they say "look at the thousands of kids to love." I just think the conservatives should be the ones loving them.

And yes, Mrs. Smythe and I have talked about it on numerous occasions. However, we currently have a 2-year old high maintenance kid of our own. He was born three months early. He's just about caught up, but he still has a lot of special needs.

29 posted on 03/21/2002 12:57:05 PM PST by Ward Smythe
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Homosexuality is sexual deviance, plain and simple. How many "straight" couples are asked about their sexual habits in adoption?

Have swingers been allowed to adopt? What about people who have threesomes? People who view pornography? People who have anal sex? People who have sex with animals?

Obviously, the real difference is that most people keep their private sexual affairs in the bedroom, behind closed doors. If homosexuals did the same thing, none of this would be a problem.
32 posted on 03/22/2002 6:53:43 AM PST by jurisdog
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33 posted on 03/22/2002 6:57:02 AM PST by Khepera
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I'm actually quite surprised that WSJ would publish this. It is so full of hate that it makes the eyes bleed. I can understand an opinion piece putting forth the opinion of the author, but I would have thought WSJ would be a little more discerning about letting hate speech like this on their site.

Shalom.

34 posted on 03/22/2002 8:01:51 AM PST by ArGee
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He is wrong, it's the opposit. Gays have sexual preferences like the KKK has skin preferences.
39 posted on 03/22/2002 8:41:04 AM PST by lavaroise
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"We're not talking about kids where there's a long line around the block to adopt," notes Mr. Pertman. "Many of these are the hardest kids to get anybody to take.

This is the myth and the lie. They trot these people out as if to say, only gays and lesbians will take these kids. The TRUTH is Rosie's first two kids were not problem children, and the one that was she got rid of, remember? Rosie and most gay people do not want the problem kids. There are just as many, if not MORE straight couples adopting problem kids I would imagine as homosexuals.

40 posted on 03/22/2002 9:03:58 AM PST by I_Love_My_Husband
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I dunno. On the one hand, I'd like to see the kids adopted, be it by a straight or gay couple. On the other hand, a big, red flag goes up with gay couples, because I've read things about a higher child molestation rate among gay men. I think we should hold off on allowing gay couples to adopt for now...
42 posted on 03/22/2002 11:06:02 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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Most kids who can't fit into that perfect world are better off with single parents or gay and lesbian parents.

Either the author isn't a parent or they have mush for brains!!!

Children are NOT better off in an abnormal, deviant relationship that rarely lasts!!! It's time these homosexuals stoped lying to us and themselves.

50 posted on 03/25/2002 3:47:42 AM PST by wwjdn
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