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Quotes From The Green Machine(my title)
Klamath Basin Crisis Webpage ^ | 03-24-2002 | Gaelwolf

Posted on 03/25/2002 9:08:31 AM PST by Issaquahking

Sometimes it's useful to have a few quotes from the leadership of the opposing side of an issue. With that cheery thought in mind, I thought I'd share a few with you. I've also included some resources you can use to obtain source documentation, should you wish to become more closely acquainted with the figures in question.

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"The only hope of the Earth is to withdraw huge areas as inviolate natural sanctuaries from the depredations of modern industry and technology. Move out the people and cars. Reclaim the roads and the plowed lands."

--Dave Foreman,
Confessions of an Eco-Warrior


Foreman is one of the principal founders of and remains invovled with the Wildlands Project.

"At first glance, a vision of North America with regained wildness and biodiversity seems unrealistic, even utopian. But when we consider that restoration at this scale is a process requiring decades or even centuries, it begins to make sense."

(Noss and Cooperrider, 1994, "Saving Natures Legacy, Protecting and Restoring Biodiversity." Island Press, Washington, D.C.)


Reed Noss is the founder and director of the , who have devised a comprehensive plan for the Pacific Northwest.

"Does all the foregoing mean that Wild Earth and The Wildlands Project advocate the end of industrialized civilization? Most assuredly. Everything civilized must go..."

--John Davis, editor of
Wild Earth


"Ecology is a limited science which makes use of scientific methods."

"...it should, first of all, be borne in mind that the norms and tendencies of the Deep Ecology movement are not derived from ecology by logic or induction."

--Arne Naess, as quoted in Deep Ecology for the 21st Century, pgs 154-153


"The crucial paradigm shift the Deep Ecology movement envisions as necessary to protect the planet from ecological destruction involves the move from an anthropocentric to a spiritual/ecocentric value orientation...Humanity must drastically scale down its industrial activities on Earth, change its consumption lifestyles, stabilize and then reduce the size of the human population by humane means, and protect and restore wild ecosystems and the remaining wildlife on the planet."

-- George Sessions, pg xxi, Deep Ecology for the 21st Century


"My job, which I do with The Wildlands Project, is to conceptualize a new kind of reserve system that does deep ecology on the ground, because deep ecology isn't deep ecology when it's just academic intellectual masturbation. Deep ecology becomes something real when it motivates our day-to-day actions, and there is no more honorable thing any of us can do with our lives than to work to put part of the world off-limits to the activities of human beings."

Dave Foreman, A Dialogue with Derrick Jensen


"Because we might not have any places big enough for large predators except in Alaska or northern Canada, Reed Noss and other conservation biologists have begun working with metapopulations [see: "Gap Analysis"]. That involves preserving corridors which link, for example, the Yellowstone National Park ecosystem with the Glacier/Bob Marshall ecosystem and the central Idaho ecosystem, as well as the Canadian Rockies. In the East, we want a connected chain of wilderness areas from the Everglades to northern Maine and into Canada, so the Eastern Cougar and the Florida Panther will be once again connected. And then of course we need east-west corridors."

Dave Foreman, A Dialogue with Derrick Jensen


"On a practical basis, we start with what we have: The Klamath Forest Alliance has proposed corridors between wilderness areas in northwestern California and has filed lawsuits and appeals to protect those corridors from Forest Service timber sales. Folks with the Southern Rockies Ecosystem Project are mapping all remaining old growth in Colorado and figuring how to connect it into a single linked reserve system."

Dave Foreman, A Dialogue with Derrick Jensen


"Our environmental problems originate in the hubris of imagining ourselves as the central nervous system or the brain of nature. We're not the brain, we are a cancer on nature."

~Dave Foreman, Harper's, April 1990


"The northern spotted owl is the wildlife species of choice to act as a surrogate for old-growth forest protection," explained Andy Stahl, staff forester for the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, at a 1988 law clinic for other environmentalists. "Thank goodness the spotted owl evolved in the Pacific Northwest," he joked, "for if it hadn't, we'd have to genetically engineer it."

-Andy Stahl at a 1988 law clinic for environmentalists, staff forester, Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund


"Now, in a widening sphere of decisions, the costs of error are so exorbitant that we need to act on theory alone, which is to say on prediction alone. It follows that the reputation of scientific prediction needs to be enhanced. But that can happen, paradoxically, only if scientists disavow the certainty and precision that they normally insist on. Above all, we need to learn to act decisively to forestall predicted perils, even while knowing that they may never materialize. We must take action, in a manner of speaking, to preserve our ignorance. There are perils that we can be certain of avoiding only at the cost of never knowing with certainty that they were real."

-Jonathan Shell, author of Our Fragile Earth


"[W]e have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."

-Stephen Schneider, proponent of the theory that CFCs are depleting the ozone


"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."

-Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany


"I got the impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, I should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds."

-Paul Watson, founder of Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd Conservation Society


"Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental."

Dave Forman
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: enviralists; environment; greenies; klamathlist
A great compiliation of trash spewed forth by our most dangerous terrorist group(s)("The Green Machine") yet to be announced. Helps to understand the enemy.
1 posted on 03/25/2002 9:08:31 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: skytoo
Here would be a great place for you to start reading in understanding the green problem.
2 posted on 03/25/2002 9:10:10 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Klamath_list;farmfriend;justAmy;AuntB;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;B4Ranch;JeffHead;backhoe
A Ping for your viewing pleasure<:^)
3 posted on 03/25/2002 9:13:34 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: SierraWasp;Carry_Okie;Madfly;Eska;hattend
Ping
4 posted on 03/25/2002 9:15:25 AM PST by Issaquahking
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To: Issaquahking
Perhaps Mr. Forman would be so kind as to lead by example...
5 posted on 03/25/2002 9:16:25 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Issaquahking
"Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental."

An obviously true statement.

No society = no social problems.

6 posted on 03/25/2002 9:27:03 AM PST by Restorer
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To: gophack
PING
7 posted on 03/25/2002 9:43:45 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: Issaquahking
"Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental."

And that also includes the members of the Green Machine as well. Let's ask them to remove themselves from the Earth first. We can tell them we'll follow them later.

BUMP

8 posted on 03/25/2002 9:46:56 AM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Issaquahking
A bump to expose the eco-terrorists amongst us. The Green Machine is dangerous to us all!
9 posted on 03/25/2002 10:17:06 AM PST by JustAmy
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To: *Enviralists
Check the Bump List folders for articles related to and descriptions of the above topic(s) or for other topics of interest.
10 posted on 03/25/2002 10:32:09 AM PST by Free the USA
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To: Issaquahking
"We in the Green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which the killing of a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels."

-Carl Amery, Green Party of West Germany

I guess he won't mind if somone sells HIM to a gay brothel in the middle east, then, as long as the proceeds go towards planting trees.

11 posted on 03/25/2002 12:54:13 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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