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University of Minnesota Press book challenges anxiety about pedophilia
Newhouse News Service ^ | Mar 26, 2002 | Mark O'Keefe

Posted on 03/26/2002 3:52:47 PM PST by jgrubbs

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:36:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: scholar
”Yes, the Victorian Era was very straight-laced, to the point of absurdity I might add, but do you really think that the evil doers represented a smaller percentage of that society, or were they just less visible?”

I know it’s fashionable to view the Victorians as horribly repressed perverts who did their dark deeds out of sight, but allow me to give you my perspective:

I believe that the public morality is always higher than private morality. It has been said that hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue. If society sets very high standards, people will still commit sins, but they will – in the aggregate - be less serious. That’s why in the 50’s school discipline problems centered on gum chewing and running in the hallways, whereas today it’s about armed assault and sex acts in the classroom.

Were we more repressed in the 1950s? Surely. Was that a bad thing? You have to decide, but I know which way I vote. Did the teenager in the 1950s get “into trouble?” Yes. Did they knock their classmates up at the rate they are doing today. Nope. When girls got into trouble did they go away, or get married and have a pre-mature baby? Yes. Did we have classes for pregnant high schoolers who have no plans to marry? No. In the long run, which time period made it easier for youngsters growing up – and their offspring?

41 posted on 03/26/2002 5:41:04 PM PST by moneyrunner
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The pinheads are so sure that children and teenagers can maturely consent to sex with an adult, are mature enough to seek out an abortion for themselves, but when a kid murders, rapes, or steals, oh my god - poor babies. They aren't old enough to know right from wrong.

What a bunch of junk science.

42 posted on 03/26/2002 5:41:31 PM PST by 3catsanadog
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Yep. Next hottest thing is man boy marriage. Things like this used to be abhorred and no one in polite company would think about endorsing the sexual molestation of children. Now we're commanded to have sympathy for the perverts. There I said it. My how we've come a long, long way baby.
43 posted on 03/26/2002 5:44:33 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: johniegrad
This guy is sick as evidenced by a quote from his sight:

"In a recent lead article of the Journal of Homosexuality1, for example, Harris Mirkin says the "sexually privileged" have disadvantaged the pedophile through sheer political force in the same way that blacks were disadvantaged by whites before the civil-rights movement"

and, yes, i agree he even looks like a perp. What a twisted individual. Those "sexually privileged" wouldn't happen to be the parents of the offspring he's attempting to screw would it?

44 posted on 03/26/2002 5:45:22 PM PST by glory
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"The academic debate has begun to find its way into more popular culture."

"Homosexuality has become so accepted in the past 20 years, pedophilia is the next to be accepted then beastiality."

"Pedophilia Chic" Reconsidered - The taboo against sex with children continues to erode

45 posted on 03/26/2002 5:49:37 PM PST by EdReform
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Ping
46 posted on 03/26/2002 5:55:25 PM PST by ELS
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"But several contend that minors are capable of agreeing to and even initiating sex with adults."

Oh, please! My kids can't consent to going out for a popsicle without my permission. As if they can consent to sex! BARF

Children cannot consent because they are much weaker, physically and emotionally. They don't have the moral authority to make that type of decision for themselves.

47 posted on 03/26/2002 6:02:16 PM PST by joathome
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Were we more repressed in the 1950s?

I knew this was going to be an interesting discussion. Believe it or not I don't feel that we were repressed in the '50's. And,I guess I'm agreeing with your point here--there were standards in the school, in the workplace and in public. All of society was better for having those standards--we didn't worry about someone bringing a gun to school, shooting us on the street corner or the myriad of things that make our daily lives fearful.

48 posted on 03/26/2002 6:06:40 PM PST by scholar
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To: goldstategop
I guess they'll be calling us hate-mongering pedaphobes shortly.
49 posted on 03/26/2002 6:12:44 PM PST by 3catsanadog
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Homosexuals are the only self-identified group in the world to openly advocate pedophilia

Pedophiles Argue Their Case in the Journal of Homosexuality

The Problem of Pedophilia

More on the Pedophilia Question

On Positive Reports of Adult-Child Relationships: Taking a Closer Look

On the Pedophilia Issue: What the APA Should Have Known

Is Pedophilia Really Being Normalized?

50 posted on 03/26/2002 6:17:48 PM PST by EdReform
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Anybody heard from the NECROPHILES.??
I'm sure they won't want to miss out on this.
Hey, it's just a choise.
51 posted on 03/26/2002 6:27:49 PM PST by Pompah
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Mirkin is a disgusting, perverted, sicko pig! Where in the hell did the University of Missouri ever find such a lowlife?

There is a special place in Hell for the people who are pushing for acceptance of pedophilia. God help us.

52 posted on 03/26/2002 6:28:16 PM PST by Joan912
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To: moneyrunner
How many homosexuals do you personally know?
53 posted on 03/26/2002 7:18:46 PM PST by realpatriot71
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To: johniegrad
Mirkin looks like he could have starred in "Back to the Future". Scary-looking dude. My mind is already made up - my kids AND my money will not go to the Univ. of Minnesota!
54 posted on 03/26/2002 7:52:49 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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I don't have to do a study to know that whoever did this study is sick. They might not actually belong to NAMBLA but it is obvious where their sympathies lie.

I love how they remind us that Liberal, God and religion haters have made premarital and homosexual sex seem normal. And what has such normalcy brought us? Aids, epidemic STDs, abortions, and who knows what other evils.

55 posted on 03/26/2002 7:56:23 PM PST by tiki
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" unless the whole culture says this is the most horrible thing that can happen to you."

Actually there is some merit to this particular part. I do think that children, who have been found to have been molested (not repeatedly) and are rushed into treatment and told that their life will be a living hell from then on, will suffer more from the treatment than the actual molestation. Kids are somewhat more resilient than moder psychologist seem to give them credit for. However, this, in no way, excuses molestation. It is still vile and immoral.

56 posted on 03/26/2002 7:59:35 PM PST by Texaggie79
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But arguments have emerged in academic journals, books and online that at least some such sex should be acceptable, especially when children consent to it. Those making the case aren't just fringe groups, such as the North American Man-Boy Love Association, but a handful of academics at mainstream universities.

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It's no longer a handfull of academics, It's increasing in number and spreading like malignant melanoma. These people are visibly psychotic obsessed fops functioning at severely arrested, and protected, levels of immaturity with nothing else to do in their lives.

57 posted on 03/26/2002 8:08:07 PM PST by RLK
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Adults having sex with children is wrong. It is not natural. It is sick. It is perverted. It is immoral. It is a crime.

58 posted on 03/26/2002 8:14:08 PM PST by Cindy
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re post#12: Yes. He does.
59 posted on 03/26/2002 8:18:33 PM PST by Cindy
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then beastiality. If "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter," why not "one man's beast is another man's benefit partner?"

January 9, 2009 New York. Today, reports the Star of Islam (formerly known as The NY Times), the Board of Regents of Columbia University formally approved provision of equal benefits to dogs, cats, and other trans-species family arrangements. The Man-Goat Association raised a protest that goats where not included in the list of approved partners...

Soon to appear in the newspaper near you.

60 posted on 03/26/2002 8:23:20 PM PST by TopQuark
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