University of Minnesota Press book challenges anxiety about pedophilia

Newhouse News Service ^ | Mar 26, 2002 | Mark O'Keefe

[TopQuark]

It is a crime. I am afraid, not for long, Cindy.

See post #60.

[Travis McGee]

HOMOSEXUALS DON'T REPRODUCE: THEY RECRUIT!

[concerned about politics]

The Bible warned us, but the nation didn't listen. It never does, and the nation just gets more mutated by the day.

[Valin]

I too grew up in the 50s and while it was far from prefect(what time is) I for one would choose a little 50s style "repression" to drive deep undergroud this kind of garbage. I've some of the people I work with that 'Leave it to Beaver' wasn't all that much of an exaggeration.

[Exnihilo]

And everyone sits around fretting and waiting for God to come and do something about it. I say, it's time for all good men to come to the aid of their country- I say it's time for a Revolution.

[breakem]

re 35 The legal term for what your were discussing is statutory rape.

[concerned about politics]

PS...5 years from now many of you will be saying "it's constitutional." Abortion, divorce, condoms at school, and homosexuality are now protected. Pedophilia will be protected by the constitution next.

When the moral fabric is torn to shreds, the constitution falls through the tear, never to be seen again. The social programs that will arise from sadistic and masocistic child abuse will skyrocket.

[sneakypete]

In its place would be more neutral terms such as "intergenerational sex" or "adult-child sex."

I have a idea! Why don't we all just start calling it "Baby Rape"? After all,that IS what having sex with a pre-teen amounts to,so why not call it what it is?

[concerned about politics]

I have a idea! Why don't we all just start calling it "Baby Rape"? After all,that IS what having sex with a pre-teen amounts to,so why not call it what it is?

Because you'll be called a pedophilia-phobe. You'll be called intolerant. There will be hate crime legislation because pedophilians will say they were born that way. It's a 'lifestyle choice.'

Step by step, inch by inch........

[xm177e2]

pedophilia is the next to be accepted then beastiality

I'll bet beastiality will come first...

[concerned about politics]

I'll bet beastiality will come first...

No. PETA. We can't hurt animals. ELF, ALF. Only human children are expendable.

[sneakypete]

I'll bet beastiality will come first...

Not gonna take THAT bet! I have two words for you,"Maxine Waters". Scare the ugly right off a buzzard.

[john in missouri]

Things do tend to move in cycles, and there's (mostly) nothing new under the sun.

A lot of the good old days weren't as good as we look back on them as being.

Remember Genghis Khan? Adolph Hitler? The Civil War? Child labor? Roman entertainment? The Inquisition? Things don't only go in one direction; they do sometimes get better.

[GrandMoM]

I doubt that pedophilia will ever achieve societal acceptance!

Please read this for your answer

[RLK]

I knew this was going to be an interesting discussion. Believe it or not I don't feel that we were repressed in the '50's.

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Having lived through the 40s and 50s, I don't think it was a repressive period. What existed in that period was a channelization of sexuality and other areas into wiser and less destructive institutionalized pattern. What has occurred since that period is permission to engage in patterns which produce massive emotional squalor and calloused exploitation. At the same time, the destructive consequences are being denied.

But the fact is, beginning in the 60s we saw the rate of serious mental disorder multiply by a factor of five to ten. It's a result of the conscienceless morality.

[GrandMoM]

But the fact is, beginning in the 60s we saw the rate of serious mental disorder....Hedonism reared it's ugly head!

[DentsRun]

The age of consent is one of those subjects that drives otherwise rational people clear around the bend. I must say, when I was 13, if an attractive adult woman had taken me to bed I'd still be lighting candles in her honor. And for the life of me I can't understand why if a young man of say 20 has sexual relations with a young woman one day shy of her 18th birthday here in California in the eyes of the law he's a vicious contemptible sexual predator. But a day later the same boy and girl can have intercourse till the roof falls down and it's just a couple of kids in love.

Anyway I find it hard to be as outraged about the age of heterosexual love as some on this forum, given that the age of consent has changed so much over the years. There are a lot of people alive today whose grandmothers (especially if they grew up in the south) were married at age 13. Furthermore the age of consent varies dramatically around the world. (See ageofconsent.com). In Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Malta, Mexico and the Netherlands the age of consent for girls apparently is 12 (a couple of these countries list more than one age, which I don't understand. When they do, I've indicated the lower one). In Japan, Korean, Nigeria and Spain it's 13. It's 14 in Austria, Germany Hungary, Iceland and Italy. (In most countries it's 16).

Within the United States the age of consent is still 14 in Hawaii, Iowa and Missouri. In the puritan state of California it's 18. For most of the country it seems to be 16.

My final comment is to recall what a southern senator once said when a bill was introducted to raise the age of consent. "Raise it??? Hell, we ought to lower it and make it mandatory and retroactive."

[johniegrad]

Actually, Mirkin is at the University of Missouri-Kansas City but this book was published by the University of Minnesota Press.

[moneyrunner]

"How many homosexuals do you personally know?"

Quite a few, why do you ask?