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***George W. Bush: Master Politician and Great American***
Stardate: 0203.28 | the Wizard

Posted on 03/28/2002 2:52:13 AM PST by The Wizard

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To: cake_crumb
"I know he signed the bill in private. The STATEMENT he made was public."

Once again Cake, I really don't mean to hurt your feelings, but why, if Dubya felt signing this this was the right thing to do, did he chose to sign it behing closed doors?

Then again, with this president, everything seems to be done behind closed doors.

I wonder how long it takes to remove spoiled rich kid poop from 200 plus year old documents. Maybe we can use some of those drapes Ashcroft hung on those statues to wipe it off...

"This would be easier if this was a Dictatorship, of course with me as Dictator" GW Bush

241 posted on 03/28/2002 11:08:04 AM PST by Lord_Baltar
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Thank you for your kinds words
242 posted on 03/28/2002 11:13:51 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: Dustbunny
I agree....nice name
243 posted on 03/28/2002 11:17:06 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: Letitring
My I say on behalf of John and myself, that it is comments like yours that keep us writing.....
244 posted on 03/28/2002 11:21:15 AM PST by The Wizard
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To: VA Advogado
Sorry for the delay in my response. I had appointments.

Will you issue an apology if the court upholds ALL provisons of CFR?

No. The First Amendment says: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW... ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH...

And, it seems to me, that to whittle away at Political Speech is an assault on the very essence of that amendment.

245 posted on 03/28/2002 11:45:16 AM PST by theDentist
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To: The Wizard
your choice of words is amazing to me....are you very young?

No. But I do wish that I still retained the ignorance of youth as you have.

246 posted on 03/28/2002 11:50:30 AM PST by theDentist
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To: rdb3; Miss Marple; JohnHuang2; Sabertooth
Amen to that. I have long had several people who I look to in war, political or otherwise: Among them are William Casey (Reagan's first CIA Director and probably the best to ever hold that position), Ollie North, and Richard Marcinko (founder of SEAL Team Six). Most of my strategic thinking comes from Mr. Marcinko, the founder of SEAL Team Six.

Today, like it or not, we must recognize that there are no rules except to win. Winning sets us up to try to reverse the damage, IMHO.

Reading Leadership Secrets of the Rogue Warrior and Rogue Warrior: Strategies for Success, I have seen countless times where the "rules" are broken, and those who "broke the rules" won big. Thinking outside the box is the best shot here, and frankly, if we do not, then we will be doomed to lose everything.

Short-term compromises are acceptable right now. Sorry if the folks who hold principle above everything are upset, but a principled loser is still a loser. I did not choose these terms of politics. The Dems have set these terms. I accept them and fight by them so my principles have a chance.

If it means the President has to appear on Howard Stern's show, so be it. If we have to run an amnesty provision we know will be blocked to get an edge over the Dems, I'll do it in a heartbeat. If it means we punt something to the Supreme Court, knowing we will get the ball in better field position when they are done with it, I'll do it. We're not going to get everything we want right away. We must prioritize, pick and choose our fights, and for now, pick only those fights where we have relative strength to out opposition. It's ugly, but then again, politics was never a clean endeavour. You just hope that you are cleaner than your opponents when all is said and done.

Thus endeth my sermon.

247 posted on 03/28/2002 12:01:04 PM PST by hchutch
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To: RichGuy;JohnHuang2
RichGuy. I hope you and JohnHuang2 are correct, and that the obvious unConstitutional aspects of this debacle are struck down immediately, and further, that both McCain and Meehan (who is MY Rep) are specifically reprimended (dope-slapped) in the written judgement.

While the president's move may be a masterstroke, cutting the issue from the Dems hands, temporarily silencing McCain, and gathering more votes from the voters than losing, I still believe that signing such a bill and hoping the Supreme Court kicks it back is a dangerous ploy. We have seen the Court surprise everyone and issue rulings that turn the nation on it's head (like Roe vs Wade).

I am very disgusted that he would tell the various groups who supported him through the campaign, the Election, and through the last year that there were 6 problems with the bill that would cause him to VETO. Then when it comes to his desk he signs it anyway, with every one of the reasons he disliked it still intact. How can I believe him when the next issue rises. Making unpopular decisions (re-thinking the use of tactical nuclear weapons, for example) are inevitable. But sticking to your word, and standing by the Constitution are an imperative.

Remember "Read my Lips"? That reversal impacted the grass-roots support of Bush 41st. This, in my opinion, is a greater reversal than that had been.

248 posted on 03/28/2002 12:10:25 PM PST by theDentist
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To: hchutch
Sorry if the folks who hold principle above everything are upset, but a principled loser is still a loser.

THANK YOU! This is, in essense, all that I was attempting to say. Principle means absolutely nothing if you are not in a position to use those principles assertively. You can be principled all you want, but if you are not in the game, it means nothing.

I guess it escapes most that being so "principled" makes one an easy target to pick off. I mean, the "unprincipled" knows that the "principled" will not do whatever it takes to win. In politics, the realm in which most everyone seems to forget is the playing field, to the aggressor goes the victory. This has always been the truth, is always the truth, and will always be the truth. Period. End of story. No amount of complaining about it is going to change the rules of the game.

All I'm guilty of here is telling the truth. And if that's my only crime, then hey, I'm guilty as charged and will continuously be guilty.

So that there is no question, here's why I am the way that I am: MY SOLE PURPOSE IS TO DEFEAT, OBLITERATE, DESTROY, ANNIHILATE, AND DISPOSE OF THE LEFT. And you can quote me on it. When it's dead and buried, I will dig it up from time to time, empty 25 full metal jackets into the corpse, and bury it again. You can quote me on that, too.

The Left is dangerous, deadly, and will be the cause of the destruction of America, unless we do something about it. We have two means at our disposal: ballots or ballistics.

I have studied and continue to see how they use, manipulate, and rob my people, American blacks, of not only its ambition, but more importantly its pride. Leftism is a curse upon the Spirit of America, it is antithetical to achievement, and seeks only to further its goals and power. America cannot absorb any more Balkanization. But if we don't defeat the Left, it will continue.

And you think I don't absolutely HATE the Left? Ha! No, I'm not talking about the people. I'm talking about Leftist ideology. Honest to God above, I loathe Leftism. I really, really do.

There are those who are critical of my apparent "lack" of principles. So be it. Now, if they would kindly step aside, I'd like to go forward with M-16 in hand, selector switch at "burst."

249 posted on 03/28/2002 1:45:20 PM PST by rdb3
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To: theDentist
No. The First Amendment says: CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW... ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH...

This may be splitting hairs, but it seems like your beef would be with the congress and the supreme court. Bush is just the middle man.

250 posted on 03/28/2002 2:20:23 PM PST by VA Advogado
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To: VA Advogado
Yes, Congress itself does not escape any of the blame in this fiasco, but Bush is the one who is signing it into effect, thereby limiting free speech, despite telling us over and over he wouldn't. I think this is more heinous than the "No new taxes" pledge his father broke.
251 posted on 03/28/2002 2:42:12 PM PST by theDentist
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To: The Wizard
We just better hope Sandra is on board to strike this down...
252 posted on 03/28/2002 6:30:46 PM PST by weikel
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To: Miss Marple
I hope he knows how the supreme court will vote on this( and Sandra is the big mystery) in advance... any way you cut it he knowingly broke oath.
253 posted on 03/28/2002 6:33:56 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel; Congressman Billybob
Why not look through Congressman Billybob's posts on this matter? He's explained how it will go down, and he's been through this before and done this before.

How many times to I have to mention this?

254 posted on 03/28/2002 6:39:41 PM PST by hchutch
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To: smith288
Okay here is my analysis he has the support of moderates due to the war and the economic recovery, he will never get the support of libs, and by signing this he alienates us ultra right wingers how does he gain from this( okay hard money) and furthermore I don't trust the supreme court( although they have been pretty good on free speech in the past ruling free speech on the internet...).
255 posted on 03/28/2002 6:40:20 PM PST by weikel
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To: weikel
If he KNOWS how the Supreme Court will vote (and I think he does) how will he have broken his oath?
256 posted on 03/28/2002 6:48:09 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
Perhaps.... will you still support him wholeheartedly if they uphold the 60 day ban on criticizing pols.
257 posted on 03/28/2002 6:56:28 PM PST by weikel
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To: JohnHuang2
John, you are so precise in your thinking. I love reading your 2Cents and I so often agree completely. I sometimes worry about what GW is doing, but I try to sit back and wait until the final outcome. I am almost always pleasantly surprised.

Thanks for your insights.

TC

258 posted on 03/28/2002 7:14:00 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: JohnHuang2
That is simply wonderful writing, and a brilliant piece of analysis. You simply MUST get it published...
259 posted on 03/28/2002 10:00:58 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: uncbob
know many voters who went for REAGAN and then BUSH who were incensed that he raised taxes after pledging not to that they voted for PEROT

Yep Reagan raised taxes 90 billion and those are still in effect today. Bush the first raised taxes 130 billion mainly due to the costs of a shooting war. Today, Reagan is the gold standard for conservatives, Bush 1 is old "read my lips".

260 posted on 03/28/2002 10:31:29 PM PST by Texasforever
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