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Israel Plans Massive Retaliation Following Netanya Attack; PA Forces on High Alert
Al-Bawaba.com - Beruit ^ | 3-28-02

Posted on 03/28/2002 6:15:07 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Bold Fenian
Just out of curiosity, what planet are you from?
21 posted on 03/28/2002 9:13:17 AM PST by Don Carlos
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Kill all Pali hostiles....all of them...including that Hamas peckerhead in Geraldo's face on FOX last night...kill him slowly and then castrate him so he can't make use of the 72 virgins.

Next, deport the rest to wherever the hell, I could give a frog's fart.

Next, wall off Israel to include whatever land Israel is still holding...especially the Golan Heights.

Next, ask the Non-Pali Arabs and Druze left inside if they payed attention?...Good now behave or else.

Next, tell any hostile Arab dictatorship who wants a fight to bring it on and then watch the IDF (with our strategic help) humiliate those idiots again for the 4th or 5th time.

Next, Israel will enjoy peace which even with relatively impotent hostile neighbors will be much much better than what exists now and we'll all get to watch some other Arab nation have to deal with what's left of the PA...and eventually there will be another Black September incident..count on it.

Next, Israel can basically tell all the handwringers in the West to bugger off. Who cares?...Colin Powell can wince all he wants.

This not about peace for land or the Palestinian plight blah blah blah...it's about the sad fact that these predominately Muslim arsewipes surrounding Israel don't want Jews in their midst and the fact that Muslims but Arabs in particular absolutely have a psychotic affection for blood feuds.

22 posted on 03/28/2002 9:18:37 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Bold Fenian
Given the death and immense suffering that the Israeli Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is wreaking upon both peoples, it is the Occupation that is a non-starter. It only perpetuates hatred and violence on both sides.
Why shouldn't the Israeli people demand that their IDF return to the pre-'67 Israeli boundaries?

Oh, really?

In 1952, there were about 3,000 incidents of cross-border violence, extending from the malicious destruction of property to the brutal murder of civilians. This was done by fedayeen terrorists.

From 1951-1955, 922 Israelis were killed by Arab terrorists infiltrating from Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.

In 1955 alone, a particularly bad year, 278 were killed by raids originating from Egypt and Jordan.

All of this Pre-1967.

You were saying Dear?

a.cricket

23 posted on 03/28/2002 9:32:01 AM PST by another cricket
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To: Bold Fenian; Oldeconomybuyer; Veronica; dennisw; Nachum; sabramerican; cardinal4; Sam's Army...
it is the Occupation that is a non-starter. It only perpetuates hatred and violence on both sides.

As I asked in a previous post, what exactly caused the violence against Israelis before the Israelis captured the land in question from Jordan in 1967? Clearly, it was Arab hatred of the very existence of the State of Israel. Clearly, that is, if you are even slightly sensible, which you are clearly not.

Why shouldn't the Israeli people demand that their IDF return to the pre-'67 Israeli boundaries?

Quite a number of reasons, actually. First, because the pre-1967 borders never offered them any protection. Second, because the pre-1967 borders are virtually indefensible. Instead of guarding 5 mountain passes to prevent an army from cutting Israel in 2 (a relatively easy task), Israel would have to guard a much longer border that consisted largely of a tank-friendly plain. Military experts, including our own Joint Chiefs of Staff, think that Israel would need to maintain another 100,000 troops on active duty to guard such a frontier. Just to put this into perspective, the US would need to maintain a 5 million man army to do this, on a proportional basis, just for additional active duty. It would destroy Israel's economy - but, then again, that is what you want to do. Third, and most important, because Arafag and the rest of his fellow psychopathic murderers who "lead" the "Palestinian people" have made it abundantly clear that their ultimate aim is to wipe Israel off of the map, preferably with a genocide of all Jewish Israeli citizens. While this miserable waste of human protoplasm is generally a lying sack of S#$T, his actions in this regard indicate that this oft-stated goal of his is, in fact, a true statement of his intentions.

The Occupation presents a greater threat to Israel than any of its neighboring Arab states because nation states can achieve a stable, if unfriendly, coexistence on the basis of credible military deterence.

You obviously wouldn't know "credible military deterence" if it came and bit you in the a$$. FYI, this does not include a retreat from a superior geographical position or giving up the very modest strategic depth that Israel now possesses thanks to Jordan's stupidity in attacking Israel in 1967. Credibility in this part of the world consists of kicking a$$ on your enemies and never giving up what you take from them. Brutal, but true. Any nation that voluntarily gives up anything is looked upon as weak and, more to the point, carrion to the vulturous dictatorships of the region. Credibility in this regard also includes being within much closer artillery and tank-driving distance of your enemy's capital. None of these things would exist for Israel if they gave up military control over these lands.

The very nature of the Occupation negates the huge conventional military advantage that Israel enjoys thanks to our tax dollars.

If their conventional advantage has been negated, why haven't the Jews been pushed into the sea? The simple answer is that Israel's conventional advantage is enhanced by maintaining control over the lands used by Jordan to attack it in 1967. That is precisely the reason why Syria, Egypt, et al all want Israel out of those lands - not because of any "Arab brotherhood" with the Pallie terrorists, but because it would weaken Israel.

You are either a pro-terrorist disruptor, or congenitally stupid. Is that you, A+Bert?

24 posted on 03/28/2002 9:32:04 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Roger_W_Isom
Astute observation.
25 posted on 03/28/2002 9:34:58 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: Bold Fenian
Yeah, it's all Isreal's fault. How dare they choose to eat at Sbarro's for pizza when they know good and well what Nazi's they are!
27 posted on 03/28/2002 10:01:21 AM PST by Sam's Army
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To: Bold Fenian
You want a break down of every death caused by terrorists pre-1967 before you will admit you are wrong? This is the height of blindness even for you.

Even then I expect you wouldn't see.

Undoubtedly the 1929 massacre was because of the settlements too. The Arabs were physic. /sarcasm

a. cricket

28 posted on 03/28/2002 10:02:18 AM PST by another cricket
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To: anothergrunt
Do you happen to have a link to something showing the "original" (and brief) 1948 borders established by the British? I don't seem to see this anywhere.
29 posted on 03/28/2002 10:06:37 AM PST by maryz
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To: Bold Fenian
The Nazi-style Israeli military Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is inhuman. The Hamas suicide bombings of civilians within Israel's borders are inhuman.

Sounds like the basis for a negotiation on the grounds of mutual suffering and grief.

Time for talk.


No, only totally defeating your enemy will do. Co-existence with the same regime never works. Recent history is replete with examples...Japan, Germany, Italy, USSR, Afghanistan, etc.
30 posted on 03/28/2002 10:10:20 AM PST by AsYouAre
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To: AsYouAre
And, by the way...the citizens of those countries are MUCH better off.
31 posted on 03/28/2002 10:16:21 AM PST by AsYouAre
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To: Bold Fenian
I don't have to send anyone. Israel doesn't need my help and is quite capable of defeating the PA, and any other terrorist groups if left unrestrained. Defeating terrorism there is the ONLY solution.
33 posted on 03/28/2002 10:27:31 AM PST by AsYouAre
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To: maryz
I believe this map shows the borders of Israel pretty well. The West Bank, Golan Heights, and Gaza strip are not part of the original (at least 1948 version) of Israel.

Note that there has never been a Palestine. There was a "Palestinian Authority" under the British but it had no basis ethnically, geographically, or politically. The West Bank was given to Jordan in 1948 and occupied after numerous conflicts.

35 posted on 03/28/2002 10:36:36 AM PST by anothergrunt
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To: Bold Fenian
Hey Bold, I'm getting ready to on vacation, but at least I had a chance to see your true colors in that last post. Now I know.
36 posted on 03/28/2002 10:38:05 AM PST by AsYouAre
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To: Ancesthntr
Excellent post.
37 posted on 03/28/2002 10:51:30 AM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: anothergrunt
The West Bank was given to Jordan in 1948 . . .

By whom? It was my understanding that the borders determined by the British hardly lasted a day. The Arabs immediately attacked (in flowing robes and headpieces, waving rifles, galloping in on camels in the newsreel I saw years ago -- yes, it looked just as ludicrous as it sounds!). It seems impossible that even the British would be stupid enough to consider such a wasp-waist country as Israel without the West Bank defensible.

39 posted on 03/28/2002 11:24:14 AM PST by maryz
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To: Bold Fenian
End the Occupation.

That Islamic lie just don't fly. Unilaterally bugging out and ending the Israeli presence in Gaza and the West Bank will only make the Jihad more murderous since the objective is to destroy Israel. But you knew that already since at this point you just are a shill for Islamic Jihad.


40 posted on 03/28/2002 11:27:18 AM PST by dennisw
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