Turks enraged by Palestinian conduct at funeral. M60A3 Upgrade Agreement to be signed.

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2002/03/29/guncel/agun.html ^ | March 28, 2002 | Utku Cakirozer

[terilyn]

You are correct! My mistake, (it won't happen again) :) Like President Bush said, you are either with us or you are with the terrorists. Looks like a few are making their choice clear. One way or the other...

[sarasmom]

Agreed.Add India and I am ready to roll.

Ready to roll without them, but nice to have a few good countries....

[VOA]

the aggrement between Israel and Turkey in relation with the modernization of 170 Turkish
M60A3 MBTs by IMI, Israel

IIRC, radio commentator Michael Medved mentioned that Israel has an agreement with
a country to provide sufficient airspace for adequate training of the Isreali Air Force.
That country is...Turkey.

(any lurkers/posters with contrary knowledge, feel free to post)

[weikel]

They beat off superior better armed forces in WWI and no force was more feared by the North Koreans.

[Mortimer Snavely]

"9 Bullets in Maj. Toytunc's Head"

This was no accident. The Major was targeted. This was a hit.

[Joe 6-pack]

"The peregrinations of history are fascinating, and one thing that has particularly fascinated me is what would have happened if the declining Ottoman Empire of the late 19th Century had become the beneficiary of the oil in its boundaries. Would it have rebounded? Or would the oil simply have allowed an obsolete system to have a new lease on life, hence no Attaturk or modernity?"

The Turks have spent their history at the confluence of major trade routes, and as such, have inculcated free-market values, although somewhat unrecognizable by U.S. standards. Moreover, they spent the cold war sharing a border with the USSR, and the last decade facing down Iraq. If we have a friend in the ME, it's Turkey. We really need to go out of our way to maintain that relationship, because, if it's not already glaringly obvious, the rest of, "western" europe intends to drag us down the globo-socialist rat-hole which they've already indulged. IMHO opinion, the true American rugged individualist has far more in common with the Turkish shopkeeper than he does with the french corporate CEO.

[StriperSniper]

While I was just surfing, I found this:

Arab Net

There is mostly general information there, but enough to give you a flavor for each country.

P.S. - On the radio right now I heard that the bulldozers are taking down Arafat's HQ!

[terilyn]

"IMHO opinion, the true American rugged individualist has far more in common with the Turkish shopkeeper than he does with the french corporate CEO."

Absolutely, positively.

[Light Speed]

The Turkish embrace came slowly..as of 1990 financial exchange between Israel was nearly non-existant..then the change..
Since that time amazing things have taken place between the two nations.
In 1997 nearly 300,000 visits by Israeli's to Turkey..tourists and business.
Israel has participated in modernization upgrades on Turkish fighters..the F-4 Phantom..F-5..and F-16's
As of 1997..trade between Israel and Turkey was at 1 Billion annually.
The Turkish military now exchanges pilots with Israel for computer sim training..while Israeli pilots get some flight time over high mountains in Turkey.
From the sale of advanced Israeli missile systems..to the return to Turkey of Sephardic Jews[Over 20,000 1997]..Israel and Turkey quietly form a frienship and produce a testimony..that Israel and Islamic states can co-exist.

[Mortimer Snavely]

"Filistin çok ayip etti"

Indeed.

[Shermy]

Especially Qatar.

Love the timing of that arms deal announcement.

Turkish friends, this may be too personal to me, but the failure of the Turks to have a comprehensive english language news site for its newspapers, or general links site (e.g., AzerbaijanNews.Net) is frustrating. TurkishDailyNews.com is not very comprehensive. Can't you guys do some lobbying? Set up a site yourselves, for profit? :)

[terilyn]

Thanks for the link. It seems there are quite a few "allies" that I failed to list. Bulldozers are at work hmm.... Well good, though it makes me nervous to think of what Saddam might do, maybe that's the signal we're waiting for to start this whole Iraq thing. They attack Israel and it gives us the "green light" to defend our ally?

Tick...tick....tick....

[a_Turk]

Would it have rebounded?

It might have become a Saudi Ottomania!! LOL!

[Jim Noble]

The former Ottoman vilayets of Mosul, Baghdad, Basra, Syria, and Hejaz are badly in need of good government...

[StriperSniper]

Or the Iraqis start to mass near Saudi, then the Prince will call us back from Qatar real quick. Tonight may change all that.

[Jim Noble]

Lord Ram knows what to do with Ay-rabs and their friends...

[Aric2000]

Hello Abi-jim, what do you think of Shermy's above proposal, care to discuss it?

Israel, Turkey and the US, what a team that is, time to clean house!!!

[a_Turk]

I was thinking the same thing.

[Utopia]

Could any of you please help me understand something? I have some friends who are Turkish (Turkish-American). Serveral of their sons are in the US military overseas, right now fighting for our liberty. They are wonderful people. Salt of the earth. They do follow Islam, (or at least a version of Islam that they were taught -- which taught them to respect Christianity and Judiasm.)

I have been on many threads recently where the anti-Islam rhetoric is just a little too thick (I see a difference between anti-terrorist rhetoric and anti-Islam rhetoric). When I tried to post a point of view reminding people not to think of all of Islam as evil, I was treated to an unbelieveable shower of hate and ignorance.

Yet here on this thread one can write: "God bless the Turks" and there is no shower of hate. What's the difference?

[Travis McGee]

How is this murder story going over in Turkey?

In any war, I want the Turks on my side, and not my enemy. Stupid move by the Palestineans.