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To: Mitchell; muawiyah; denydenydeny; The Great Satan; Alamo-Girl; keri
I think I may have it.

Books 9 and 11 of the Koran
deal entirely with the punishment of the unbelievers.

Here are some samples.

At-Tauba (Book 9)

Then when the Sacred Months
(the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar)
have passed,
then kill the Mushrikûn (unbelievers) wherever you find them,
and capture them and besiege them,
and prepare for them each and every ambush.
And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh,
and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh.
That is a saying from their mouths.
They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old.
Allâh's Curse be on them,
how they are deluded away from the truth!

Hud (Book 11)

This book deals entirely with the destruction of the evil-doers,
the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Pharoh, etc.
Sample:

but those of the sects
(Jews, Christians and all the other non-Muslim nations)
that reject it (the Qur'ân),
the Fire will be their promised meeting-place.

A Final Comment:

Why was the date written 09-11-01 and not 09-11-2001??

Clearly because after the destruction of the unbelievers
(09-11)
follows the true word of Allah
(Chapter 1 of the Koran)

The Koran

122 posted on 03/31/2002 3:18:31 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: Nogbad
Very interesting. This is the kind of thing one would expect, although it's impossible to know if this interpretation is correct.

I note that even Surat 1, has, as the last and the longest of only seven short verses, the following:

The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).

This Surat is described as the introduction or preface, and it presumably sets the tone for the entire Koran, and, therefore, the entire religion. One of the important ways Islam defines itself, right at the beginning of the Koran, is by deriding Judaism and Christianity.

I notice that Surat 9 includes instructions that the unbelievers are to be given four months, at the end of which time all treaties with them are considered to be no longer valid, and the idolaters should then be slain if they do not repent. Wasn't there a similar statement made by Mullah Omar this past Fall?

On the other hand, it seems that if you pick almost any chapter of the Koran, you can find statements just as inflammatory as the ones in chapters 9 and 11. I think the argument is therefore inconclusive.

123 posted on 03/31/2002 4:25:47 PM PST by Mitchell
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To: Nogbad
Very good.

I am sure the folks over in Homeland Defense have someone who believes this or another element in the Koran to be the source of the date. He or she would also understand that these numbers can be used in the Islamic lunar calendar and the Western solar calendar, both forward and backward, to come up with other propitious dates - but more importantly, dates which may be communicated to other cell members with a citation of scripture!

Now, let's go a bit further - did the FBI or David Koresh follow this standard when it came to the Waco situation? Note that Mr. Howell was into polygamy, as well as an exceedingly stressful interpretation of Christian texts. Was he also into Islamic mysticism? Did he know Mr. Atta or any of Atta's friends?

This should not be ruled out since we do know the Murrah bombing was done as a revenge (according to McVeigh himself).

Logically, if Atta and Howell had some connection, other related groups might well be examined more closely, and I don't mean the survivalist or the neo-nazi groups. This would include the various break-away 7th Day Adventist Groups that permeat the West, as well as the cults running under the title of Church of the First Born (Howell's grandmother's church, and Bill Clinton's father's church). Only the religious groups seem to be able to maintain enough cohension to keep the government out for long periods. The political groups are all readily infiltrated, and most of them have had their most dangerous leadership elements busted and imprisoned.

125 posted on 03/31/2002 5:21:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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