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1 posted on 04/01/2002 7:23:39 AM PST by tcostell
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To: tcostell
Vote with your feet.
2 posted on 04/01/2002 7:25:12 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: tcostell
Leave NY!! There are lots of places with less socialism - why pay even a dime to one of the states with the most?
3 posted on 04/01/2002 7:30:05 AM PST by coloradan
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Are you sure you don't live in Milwaukee County?
4 posted on 04/01/2002 7:33:20 AM PST by MotleyGirl70
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To: tcostell
Our home is on the northern border of Westchester County NY

I've identified your problem. I'm assessing you $5.00 for my work.

5 posted on 04/01/2002 7:34:42 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: tcostell
Not to sound rude, but with a nearly $600,000 house you are not going to get any sympathy from me, and others I supose. If a $600,000 house is needed to have the room to raise a family you sound like an elitest snob and now your complaining that you seem to have bitten off more than you can chew.

Seems you probably should have bought a smaller house.

Quick story. I do mortgages. A gentleman and his wife recently applied for a mortgage to purchase a home that was $220,000. The home hasnt been built yet and the developer was planning on starting construction in the next few weeks. Well, the customer was satisfied with a 30 year fixed rate of 7%, but wanted to lock it in today for 180 days so he could assure his rate at 7% when constrution was complete and he closed on the mortgage. I told him I could lock it for that long and laid out the costs of the extended lock-in that needed to be paid to get the extended lock. As I suspected he didnt like the fees. And I told him he was right to not like them and advised him against the extended lock.

His reaction... Well, if the interest rate goes above 7% by even a fraction between now and when we can do a regular loc-in the payments on the mortgage will be a burden and we wont be able to purchase the home.

My reaction... Sir, if a rise in interest rates of even 1/8th of a percent is going to pose a financial burden I strongly suggest buying a much smaller house. He wasnt happy with me, but sometimes people do need to be informed of their own stupidity.

6 posted on 04/01/2002 7:34:59 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: tcostell
I can certainly sympathise with you re: property taxes. Our property taxes just went up some $1500+/yr. thanks to a recent 'education initiative' that passed by a mere 20 votes this past March.

Can't tell you what the 'initiative' was, other than to raise our taxes. We went from about $5k to just over $6500/yr. for a home valued at $230k. That's 2.7% of the value of my home PER YEAR.

The school system here had a very aggressive phone campaign going every night, calling EVERY home in the area, sometimes twice per night, telling people that unless they voted for the tax increase, class sizes would double, and the school day would be cut by one and a half hours PER DAY. The phone campaign was so bad, I had to call the phone company to have the incoming calls blocked, and I went out and bought one of those tele-zapper devices (which do work, btw!)

Parents of school age children including myself felt like this was blackmail & extortion and worked hard to defeat the tax increase.

I send my kids to PRIVATE school, so I end up paying twice anyway, but I'll be darned if I wanted to pay another $1500/yr. for a crappy school system that my kids will not attend!

So the wife and I are talking about moving too, much as I don't want to. We live in a great neighborhood with wonderful neighbors, and everyone gets along just fine. I resent on principle, being taxed to death by a taxing body that's not accountable to anyone.

Good luck to you.

7 posted on 04/01/2002 7:34:59 AM PST by usconservative
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To: tcostell
You can adjust your federal income by subtracting those taxes. I assume that you know that.

But your point you are trying to make has to do with your property rights and I fully agree with you. You don't have them.

9 posted on 04/01/2002 7:39:36 AM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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I used to work in Stamford. When being relocated there, we were almost duped into buying a tiny home way up the Taconic. Instead, we bought a huge place with low taxes in the area just west of Beacon/Newbergh. So what if you commute an extra 40 minutes? It saves you about $100,000 on the purchase price, and about 70% tax savings.

These insane Westchester bedroom communities are going to collapse under their own arrogance. I just want to be there to hear the thud.

11 posted on 04/01/2002 7:41:36 AM PST by blackdog
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$19,800 on a $586,000 home is about 3.4% of the value. Move down here to the outlying counties around Nashville and 1) get an immediate raise as there is no income tax and 2) pay less for a similar house and 3) pay property taxes that are typically about 0.5% to 0.75% of the value of your home.

My guess is that you will get to keep about $20,000 or more of YOUR MONEY every year.

14 posted on 04/01/2002 7:48:24 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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That twenty-seven million dollars a year to provide a mediocre education for less than 1500 kids.

That's about $18,000 per child. Yikes!

And at 25 kids per classroom, that's about $450,000 per classroom!

20 posted on 04/01/2002 7:53:51 AM PST by jigsaw
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To: tcostell
It does stink about the taxes, but as others have pointed out, you do have other options. You could move to a lower tax state.

You could have much more land, better house, etc in another state.

My in-laws in Louisiana have 9 acres, a barn, a pool, two ponds stocked with fish, and a 5 bedroom house and their property value is only about $160k. They are 15 miles out of baton rouge, so its an easy commute to work, but safe, in the country, etc.

You could stay there in New York, and get zero bang for your buck, and try to fight, or go to a place more to your liking. It's your choice.

22 posted on 04/01/2002 7:56:24 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: tcostell
No advice from me - the situation down here is better (Texas) but not by much. My home is nowhere near your price range, but I still pay a bundle for property taxes - about 70% goes to the schools. Fortunately for me, I live in a small city of 9000 people, so one person can still make his voice heard if he is determined enough. We recently voted down a new bond proposal that the city council dreamed up. It seems though as soon as you kill one weasel, another one pops his head up...

I would tell you to move out of NY entirely, but that would be some major uprooting on your part.

25 posted on 04/01/2002 7:58:10 AM PST by fogarty
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1) Property taxes are insane everywhere, largely due to absurdly incompetent and absurdly well funded public education.

2) The people raising your taxes are socialists who hate you from the bottom of their hearts for daring to have a penny more than they do. If you and your family where found dead in the street, they would think it a terrible tragedy until they found out you had a nicer house than they do, then they would figure you had it coming.

3) Assuming a 30 year mortgage, a ballpark payment would be on the order of $6000 a month? So you are looking at less than a 10% difference in monthly payment. If you are that close to the edge, you are too close. Don't make this argument from the "I can't afford it" angle. People won't buy it, and will just get caught up telling you how dumb you are for putting yourself in a situation where a $500 a month increase in bills breaks you.

4) Solution: Move. Sell the house. Be the first. If the tax increases start pushing people out of their homes, property values will drop. Then you won't be able to sell it.

This is where the socialists win. Once in power, what can you do? People are nowhere near catching on to the scams run by the education bureaucracies. After they have run amuck for a while, taxing people out of their homes, then perhaps political pressure will build to reform education.

26 posted on 04/01/2002 7:58:19 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: tcostell
It is called "land rents", as was a big problem for England in the old days. You do NOT purchase a property. You only purchase the right to pay rent. Your rent will continue to increase, and in your case, the rent exceeds your ability to pay. The result is that you must sell your rent payments to someone else.

If I were to rewrite the Constitution, I'd forbid taxes on owned property. Taxes on owned property is nothing more than rent of the property. Either you own something or you do not. If you pay rent on it, you do not.

31 posted on 04/01/2002 8:01:12 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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My apologies to all you freepers who may be reading this rant but I guess I thought it would make me feel better.

No need to apologize. You are dealing with a horrid situation IMHO. There have to be other homeowners who are as unhappy as you and would work with you on getting changes that are more friendly to you all.

Citizen groups can be powerful but someone has to step forward and assume leadership. I wish you well!

35 posted on 04/01/2002 8:03:36 AM PST by toddst
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Our Town assessor values our home at $586,000. With that assessment, our local Real Estate taxes come to a total of $19,800 per year, $17,600 of which is school taxes.

Are you serious, or is this an April Fools joke? I think you're serious.

Even in places like Seattle, or Portland, Oregon, property taxes on a $586,000 home would be much lower (maybe $6,000?). And these aren't bastions of small-government conservatism. Something is seriously wrong where you live. Are people voting in favor of these taxes?

37 posted on 04/01/2002 8:07:14 AM PST by Mitchell
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How close are you to the border of New York? Interstate Commute if you can't leave your job, move out of NY if you can.

All your neighbors are in the same boat, time to form your own coalition and vote the taxers out of office. Geeze 17K a year per family to schools? Give me a break.

38 posted on 04/01/2002 8:08:21 AM PST by hattend
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Sell your home, move to the South, buy twice the home with half of your proceeds, and put your children in a private school.
44 posted on 04/01/2002 8:15:14 AM PST by JoeGar
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Come on down to Florida. We have no state income tax and the annual increase in real estate taxes on one's principal residence is limited by a fairly recent state constitutional amendment to I believe three percent a year. Our schools are not the best in the country but Jeb is working hard to make them better while keeping taxes low.
47 posted on 04/01/2002 8:20:06 AM PST by TheCPA
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Sounds like you need more favorable assessment like another Westchester County resident.
50 posted on 04/01/2002 8:23:19 AM PST by denydenydeny
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