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Walter Williams: Wrong on Secession
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Posted on 04/03/2002 9:52:50 AM PST by r9etb

Last week, Walter Williams published a column called The Real Lincoln, in which he mostly quoted editorialists to support his claim that "virtually every political leader of the time and earlier believed that states had a right of secession."

If that were really true, of course, the Civil War would never have been fought. "Virtually every" political leader in Washington would have let the secessionist states go their own ways. But of course they didn't do that. Instead, they prosecuted a long, bloody war to prevent it. So that part of Williams' case simply fails.

The question remains as to the legality of secession: does the Constitution grant power to the Federal Government to prevent it? Oddly, Williams does not refer to the Constitution itself, to see whether it has something to say about the matter. Rather, Williams (quoting author Thomas DiLorenzo) only provides several quotations about the Constitution, and peoples' opinions about secession.

One can see why: the Constitution itself does not support his case.

Article 1, Section 8 gives Congress the power To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.

Thus, the Constitution recognizes the possibility of rebellion (armed secession would seem to qualify), and gives Congress the power to suppress it.

The next question is: does secession represent a rebellion or insurrection? Webster's defines insurrection as "an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government." So if secession is a revolt against the defined powers and authority of the Federal Government, as defined in the Constitution, then the Federal Government is granted the power to prevent it.

The rights and restrictions on the States are defined in Section 10:

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Control of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

The secessionist states clearly violated almost every part of Section 10 -- especially that last clause -- and would by any standard be considered in a state of insurrection.

Article III, Section 3 states that Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The actions of the people in secessionist states fit this definition of treason, and it is within the powers of the Federal Government to deal with them.

Article VI says, in part:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Section VI clearly states that, since the Constitution is the "supreme Law of the Land," the interests of individual states are inferior to those of the United States -- even if their state Constitutions say otherwise. The individual states are bound to remain part of the United States, both by their ratification of the Constitution, and also by their Oath of Affirmation to support the Constitution.

A plain reading of the Constitution not only does not support DiLorenzo's (and thus Williams's) argument, it flat-out refutes it. The powers of the Federal Government do in fact include the power to prevent secession, and Lincoln was properly discharging his duties as President when he acted against the Confederacy.

DiLorenzo's argument thus reduces to whether or not Congress and Lincoln should have allowed the seceeding states to violate the supreme Law of the Land with impunity -- which puts DiLorenzo in the awkward position of having to argue against the rule of Law.

Finally, the pro-secession case simply ignores history: a war between North and South was inevitable. It had been brewing for decades. Even had the secession been allowed to proceed, war would undoubtedly have occurred anyway, following the pattern of Kansas in the 1850s.

Williams is a smart fellow, and he says a lot of good things. But he also says some dumb things -- his "Lincoln" column being exhibit A.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: secession; walterwilliamslist
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To: El Gato
Try plotting just say 1850-1900

Or better yet plot on a log-log scale, or even just with the vertical axis being a log scale. That will reveal more "early" detail than a strictly linear plot.

301 posted on 04/03/2002 10:36:37 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Illbay
Nowhere in the COnstitution is MURDER explicitly forbidden. Therefore, in your opinion, the right to MURDER is reserved to the states, or to the people. Cockeyed, as usual.

The power to deal with murder was left to the individual states. Thus explaining why some states have the death penalty for it, and others do not. The Constitution is a document organizing the federal government, laying out its powers and laying a few limiations on the powers of the states, mainly in areas where they would conflict with those of the national governement, i.e. foreign affairs, interstate commerce, and coinage of money. It does not put limitations on individual citzens, but rather on governments' powers to restrict citizens rights. Murder is a state matter, except in the District of Columbia and on federal reservations, such as military bases, or in cases arrising in the military forces.

I suppose the states could grant people the power to commit murder, but in any event that is left up to them, except in the circumstances indicated. OTOH, it would probably conflict with the power and obligation of the federal government to guarantee a Republican government to the states.

302 posted on 04/03/2002 10:57:27 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Poohbah
there was no power of unilateral secession granted to the states in the Constitution

The Constitution doesn't grant powers to the states, anymore than it grants rights to the people. It does restrict powers of the states, but no such restriction on secession exists. It protect other powesrs of the states, as well as the rights of the people.

303 posted on 04/03/2002 11:09:52 PM PST by El Gato
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To: r9etb
It is amazing how people forget the constitution is a contract between States. The States signed into the contract and they can also brake the contract if the contract is not being upheld.
304 posted on 04/03/2002 11:18:15 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn
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To: ravinson
Name one Constitutional violation involved in emancipation. And tell me, if it were you or your loved ones being held in bondage, would you bend the Constitution as far as you could to free them?

Taking property without compensation. For legally the slaves were property, whether we like it or not. Seems like amending the Constitution would have been better, especially in the long run, but in the short run too. I'd have probably "stolen" my loved ones, and killed those holding them, if I could. However as it is, my oath is to the Constitution and emancipating the slaves and preventing secession both violate the Constitution as it existed at the time.

As I noted in Post #275, the Confederates placed a value of $3 billion on their slaves -- equivalent to $58 billion in current dollars and $3 trillion as a percentage of GDP.

And how much did the war cost in those terms? Besides that was an opening price not a final value. Slaves were becoming uneconomical and a final price surely would have been less. It could also have been paid over time. Perhaps abolitionists would have donated part, even most, of the money to speed the process.

305 posted on 04/03/2002 11:22:00 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Hey! Just popped back in to see how the fight was going. Nice job, ElGato!

But where's Walt? Not like him to give up so early in the game. Or did he pass the keys to his spam library hall-of-shame to ravinson?

306 posted on 04/03/2002 11:47:42 PM PST by dasboot
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To: x
Uh...re: your #62, Northern Sympathizers were jailed, censored, and driven underground by a totalitarian regime.
307 posted on 04/04/2002 2:04:20 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: x
Uh...re: your #62, Northern Sympathizers were jailed, censored, and driven underground by a totalitarian regime.
308 posted on 04/04/2002 2:04:20 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: CharacterCounts
Exactly...Either the right to secede exists and existed or the framers of the Constitution LIED.

Either case makes the contract in question invalid.

Personally, I believe Lincoln was at fault as *leaving* is neither insurrection nor rebellion.
309 posted on 04/04/2002 2:08:30 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: ravinson
Moreover, what is clear is that the U.S. Constitution never included a secession provision. If the people of the Southern states really wanted to preserve a Constitutional right to secession, they were foolish for not demanding a Constitutional provision on the issue. Any half decent partnership agreement, for example, contains a dissolution clause which sets forth the procedures for winding up the partnership should one or more of the partners choose to go their separate way which specifies how the assets and liabilities will be distributed. The absence of such a provision in the U.S. Constitution strongly suggests that peaceful secession was never seriously considered by any state entering into the Union.

This can only be true, if, and only if, the 9th and 10th Amendments are meaningless. If they are meaningless, the situation begs the question, why are they there?

So, now answer: Why do you believe the 9th and 10th Amendments exist given your above stated belief?
310 posted on 04/04/2002 2:11:03 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Re: 288 1st Amendment, Freedom of Association, but that doesn't support the power of government over states either.
311 posted on 04/04/2002 2:15:00 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: Texaggie79; r9etb
"If it takes approval of the Fed Congress to change a state boundary how in the world would it be constitutional for a state to drop out of the union? "

An interesting question- if you are from Texas, as your nick implies, you might note the unusual conditions that Texas imposed on the USA prior to joining the union. One was the right to secede from the USA. r9etb has written a nice piece here but it ignores the context in which the union was formed. I do not think that any state was willing to concede its existence to the power of a federal authority.

312 posted on 04/04/2002 2:17:50 AM PST by Movemout
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To: El Gato
re:295

Worse than that, the Federal troops moved into Ft. Sumpter as an effective choke point against Charleston once reinforcements arrived. The commander knew reinforcements were coming with appropriate artillery. The reason the Feds were there in the first place was to collect the tariffs that was one of the sticking points causing the South to secede.
313 posted on 04/04/2002 2:18:47 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: bjs1779
1816.
314 posted on 04/04/2002 2:27:55 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: PatrioticAmerican
It was part of the Supreme Court's majority decision in Texas v. White which found the southern acts of arbitrary secession illegal.
315 posted on 04/04/2002 2:29:15 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: r9etb
You assume liberism is NOT an insurrection. The Fed has already been captured.

Williams said "states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states."

Which was correct. And you need not go back to the Civil War - just check out Alaska's politics in the 90's.

I would support and applaud a State's right to secede. If Alaska gets fed up with Left Coast liberalism and it's duly elected legislature opts out of the Union, that's not an insurrection - it's state-of-the-art, lassiez-faire ("leave me alone" [Fr.]) capitalism.

316 posted on 04/04/2002 2:29:20 AM PST by The Raven
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To: KrisKrinkle
Thanks, but dueling is for gentlemen and that leaves her out.
317 posted on 04/04/2002 2:32:29 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: sharktrager
>> but the 2nd amendment is specifically designed so the people can be armed should a rebellion be necessary.

Pure freedom requires a volunteer army and besides, the Founders were skeptical of a standing army.

318 posted on 04/04/2002 2:35:02 AM PST by The Raven
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To: El Gato
If states have territorial sovereignty then why do they need consent of Congress. Congress cannot split or join states against their will, but if the legislature of two states agree to join the states together that vote still means nothing unless Congress approves. It has an effective veto on any actions of the states which affect their status in any way. That doesn't sound like state sovereignty to me.
319 posted on 04/04/2002 2:36:27 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: El Gato
No, what it says is powers reserved to the United States. It says nothing about having to be explicit. The fact that no other change in status of the states is allowed without consent of Congress and that no other arbitrary actions are permitted on the part of the states where the interests of other states may be involved are allowed by the Constitution makes it clear that these are powers reserved to the United States and neither the states or their people can assume them.
320 posted on 04/04/2002 2:41:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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