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Douglas Pierce full on assault against Van Dam's: He is either on target, or lawsuit fodder!!
MCF World ^ | April 3, 2002 | Douglas H. Pierce

Posted on 04/03/2002 3:46:56 PM PST by FresnoDA

I guess we can assume that Pierce is PIS@ed Off



TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: vandam; westerfield
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To: BunnySlippers
Exactly. Information or disinformation?

There is a possibility someone that knows the VD's thinks they may have purchased a BMW or gone for a ride in one.

And based on this we have people arguing with each other about whether or not the VD's spent the money from Danielle's rescue account on the 'BMW'. FIRST FIND OUT IF IT'S TRUE (about having a BMW) before you waste your time arguing how.

Have you noticed this whole case seems to go like this? Lot's of Disinfo, little real info.

One thing I read was a statement by police or possibly Pierce that evidence showed that Danielle was killed in her bedroom and then taken from there. I will go back and try to find it.
If we just started over, and made new building blocks only out of the facts, we should have a clearer picture.

141 posted on 04/03/2002 6:26:02 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: FresnoDA
Yall have been busy while I was gone today. LOL

Pierce obviously has some of the same questions some us have .

142 posted on 04/03/2002 6:26:17 PM PST by tutstar
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To: rolling_stone
What does TIA stand for? Nope, no other details. I hesitated to post it, but I thought..what the heck, everything else has been posted. Why not!?
143 posted on 04/03/2002 6:27:31 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: spectre
and no, I don't want to slap anyone in the face, do you?

You should read this thread from my side of the computer monitor.

One apology to you. My comment was unneccesary and personal.

144 posted on 04/03/2002 6:29:04 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
I don't remember Kim ever being open to the Van Dam being in at least some way responsible for this horrible act on their child. I'v been reading every VD thread and I must say I gave a small cheer when I read Doc's post!
145 posted on 04/03/2002 6:31:04 PM PST by It's me
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
TIA. Thanks In Advance.
146 posted on 04/03/2002 6:34:09 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
(1) I don't think the BMW issue has anything to do with anything other than it sells newspapers.

But you never know....in SC in the 80's when I lived there a woman was finally caught and convicted......

3 of her children died strange deaths, one "fell" under a riding mower, my memory is not good enough to recall the circumstances of the other 2, but she had large policies on them. They finally figured her out after the death of the 3rd kid.

There hasn't been any info that I'm aware of that there was a large life policy on Danielle. But if the parents used the fund money, while it might not be illegal, it certainly is distasteful if that is how they bought the car.

It's just another view into their value system.

147 posted on 04/03/2002 6:35:51 PM PST by tutstar
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To: It's me
I must say that ol savage didn't reply to mine..sort of a hit and run..and he didn't comment about the enlightening posts found here either. I never cheer personal attacks...and it's strange to see everyone that hates the vd's behaviour do it. WHere to they draw the line with good morals and bad behaviour anyway. It's ok to be a rude a-hole? IS that what we teach our kids? REmember now, these are the same people who are calling the vd kids ''neglected''. LOL
148 posted on 04/03/2002 6:36:34 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: Jaded
There are people out there who think Pierce lacks credibility

I agree, there are many people who think that he lacks crediblity. Again, I can't judge his credibility because I have never met him. I can and do recognize the passion of someone trying to follow-up on a "feeling" of abuse and potential danger for the remaining children. I am required by law to report abuse and really understand what is feels like when everyone thinks you're kooks and you know you are right.

Another thing to note is that Pierce spent 7 hours in that house and has *never* changed his story.

149 posted on 04/03/2002 6:36:37 PM PST by vacrn
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To: UCANSEE2
Another part of the problem with this in addition to the gag order is:

1)People are ready to drag out the rope, or gun, or needle or guillotine or torture method of choice for Westerfield with out the benefit of a trial, based partly on dis-information leaked by the police. Particularly the "porn" charges. If you recall the judge wasn't in agreement with the DA. As discussed on other forums, the pedophile angle is weak but it gets the most attention.

2)The willingness to accept any thing that Brenda and Damon says, their irresponsibility aside. Even during the PH they were being less than truthful and got caught at it and learned the art of selective memory that plagued the last administration.

Responses have been at times, less than amicable, from thinly veiled insults included to out and out attacks and not necessarily beginning where you think.

150 posted on 04/03/2002 6:37:02 PM PST by Jaded
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To: It's me
Okay, stupid question time: How many BMW dealerships are there in metro San Diego & the surrounding areas? I ask this for two reasons.

1) Selfish curiousity.

2) I would think (if the purchase by the vD's of an M3 is true) their salesperson would have recognized them. I know I would have.

151 posted on 04/03/2002 6:39:06 PM PST by RangeRatt
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To: UCANSEE2
One thing I read was a statement by police or possibly Pierce that evidence showed that Danielle was killed in her bedroom and then taken from there. I will go back and try to find it.

If we just started over, and made new building blocks only out of the facts, we should have a clearer picture.

I would be interested in anyting that points to her being killed in her bedroom, unfortunately I believe it was just Pierce's comments about something bad happened here..

As for facts, some of the people here seem to avoid them and filter them out...as the bandits said in that old bogart movie,... facts? wee don't need no stinking facts.......:)

152 posted on 04/03/2002 6:39:21 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: BunnySlippers
Didn't think Pierce was a preacher.
153 posted on 04/03/2002 6:39:22 PM PST by Jaded
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To: UCANSEE2
No apology necessary. Heck, on this subject we all have different views and we get intense, sometimes..:~)

Regards, sw

154 posted on 04/03/2002 6:41:28 PM PST by spectre
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Kim,I'm wondering how many of these people who are so sexually obsessed about the Van Dam's have a "Have you hugged your snake today" bumper sticker on their cars.
155 posted on 04/03/2002 6:41:53 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: It's me
I believe their behaviour is horrible. I believe that if westefield is guilty, he found an opportunity and exploited it. I think he would have done it whether the vd's smoked pot or not. Here's a portion of what val wrote..and it makes senseVal said it best earlier, here

The question is was it a crime of opportunity or premeditated planning? Or perhaps a little of both? Was Danielle chosen because of a fixation on her as a target because of personal attributes? Meaning the predator was waiting and watching for a window of vulnerability and sooner or later would have found one. Even the righteous parent is powerless in the face of an unknown and secret enemy until they strike.

Or was Danielle targeted because a predator, aware of the immoral behavior and it's stupefying effects, realized that this was an available child. An easy mark. Which makes the parental immorality and negligence directly related to the crime because Danielle was targeted because of parental attributes rather than her own personal attributes.

Statistically, the second is more likely true than the first and is what I feel occurred. Only 14% of this type of crime are based on attributes of the victim. The vast majority are opportunity based.

156 posted on 04/03/2002 6:43:22 PM PST by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Have you heard the rumor that the pierce guy has ties to westefield?

KIM! That is a horrible, horrible, horrible rumor to post!!! I am shocked as to how low you will go!

157 posted on 04/03/2002 6:45:04 PM PST by It's me
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To: RGSpincich
Pierce is an opportunist. He has no assets and his so-called foundation has done nothing that can be verified. He is pandering. The Jesse Jackson of child-abuse.

Yup,and if anybody tries to sue him,he is going to hide behind religion. Meanwhile,he is getting publicity and raking in the dollars. Ain't no biz like show biz.

158 posted on 04/03/2002 6:45:25 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: RangeRatt
At least 4 BMW dealerships including one in Encinitas and one in Escondido. then there ios nearby Orange County....What would it matter if a salesman recognized them? Would he say anything before his commision check on a $50k car is cashed?
159 posted on 04/03/2002 6:46:18 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Huh?
160 posted on 04/03/2002 6:46:29 PM PST by Jaded
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