Is It Time to Secede?

ToogoodReports.com ^ | 04/03/2002 | Chuck Baldwin

[SamAdams76]

Forget about it. Nobody is going to secede from the greatest nation on Earth. If anything, we've got some more adding on to do.

Yes, we have our problems with overtaxation, overregulation, excessive big government and so forth. But all of these problems can be addressed by the people and in accordance with our Constitution.

Despite our shortcomings, is there anyplace else on Earth better to live? What would be gained for any state or states that secede? But that is a hypothetical question because it will never happen.

[anniegetyourgun]

So I've heard. But you'll need all the conservatives from the blue zones in the country to move to TX to help make it a reality. We need to come out from behind enemy lines, realize it is a futile battle, and just move to TX.

[anniegetyourgun]

Yes, but there is that little matter of the weather....

[Cleburne]

I just don't see a nation with no taxes surving much longer than a week or two. Noble, yes, but not practical...

[anniegetyourgun]

What if we all just settled for 10% and passed a law in the nation of TX that said the tax rate could only go lower, but never higher than that and that anyone who suggested overturning the law would be hung the next dawn?

[Brad C.]

You could say the same about Texas. After you can always put more clothes on to get warm if you are cold. If your hot, there only so much you take off, and you are still hot.

[mdittmar]

Abraham Lincoln was wrong in 1861

Abraham Lincoln
First Inaugural Address
Monday, March 4, 1861

...In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The Government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors. You have no oath registered in heaven to destroy the Government, while I shall have the most solemn one to "preserve, protect, and defend it."

I am loath to close. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.

Lincoln,a man for the times.

[Restorer]

Why would an attempt at secession by Texas, let's say, be justification to kill thousands of people who only wish to be left alone?

Did I say that violence to prevent secession would be justified? I merely pointed out that the only previous serious attempt to secede resulted in hindreds of thousands of deaths.

There are a great many activities that you have the right to engage in, but that still would be a very poor idea. For instance, you have the moral right to go to a bar in a bad part of town, get really drunk and flash a lot of cash while loudly spouting ethnic slurs.

Violence against you would be very likely under this scenario. It wouldn't be justified, but you'd still be in the hospital, if you were lucky.

[anniegetyourgun]

Well, there is that little matter of the extended darkness.....

AGYG is pleading to get the rust out as she is from Seattle - let's go to TX - please???

[liberty_fan]

Thanks for the great article! Secession has been a pet fantasy of mine for years. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one daydreaming about it. I live in Oregon, and there just seems to be something wrong about people in a tiny town thousands of miles away deciding what is best for my family here. So many of the decisions that the United States lawmakers make are based upon situations that have no correlation to my life, or that of my neighbors.

I've heard a lot of people tell me why secession would never work. The stupidest objection that one self-appointed intellectual spouted was "well, what about the Internet? We'd be cut off from that." Granted, this was a few years ago and she was just new to the idea of going online, but hel-LO? It's called the World Wide Web for a reason! ;)

[yooper]

"However, the propaganda war waged against the South during the past 50 years rivals Lincoln's war, and then some."

If you want a great example of propaganda, read this article again. Attempting to equate a war of words with a war where millions of Americans lost their lives constitutes the most outrageous example of historical revisionism I've yet seen. Such practices are usually reserved for liberal liars, and the author of this piece obviously studied liberal liars very well.

I'm getting damn sick and tired of seeing these postings by authors who obviously haven't spent the requisite amount of time studying the Civil War. Their ignorance is transparent to those of us who have. My suggestion to future Lincoln bashers is to examine ALL of the contemporary documentation, then sit and think about it using the power of reason, as opposed to emotion, and get back to us. Don't put a post up here by someone who obviously is emotion opinionated and hasn't done his homework.

[In veno, veritas]

Despite our shortcomings, is there anyplace else on Earth better to live?
The main arguement when we were British. But I'd admit that you are right, they might not fully understand what they are asking for. But then I must quote, "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself." - Declaration of Arbroath

[Almondjoy]

I'm glad you posted this trash... so I can print it out and treat it like the trash it is... THANKS!

[Kerberos]

I also have a link that address that issue which can be found here. The Second Amendment as Teaching Tool in Constitutional Law Classes

Thanks for the bump

[Brad C.]

Don't you know that rain, snow and cold builds character, or rather characters?

[anniegetyourgun]

I don't think it meets the test in #3. Besides, I'd have a hard enough time dealing with the TX accent....

I wonder if the Texan men would be willing to allow us women-who-wear-flannel-shirts into their state? I would have to learn to take 3 hours to do my make-up and hair. I would have to allow going to the beauty shop to be "way of life" instead of a quarterly obligation. Perhaps I could learn to live with big hair and loop earrings big enough to lasso a man? I prefer gold to silver and don't know if I could change that.....

[yooper]

"Those that secede don't ask for violence. The powers that be seek to quash dissent by killing those who only wish to be left alone to form their own society."

Who fired on Fort Sumter?