[Heartlander]

abiogenesis?

[donh]

I've seen that link about abiogenisis a couple of times, though it's proponents will mount fierce arguments to the contrary, it just recapitulates the "windstorm can't build a 707" argument. If you want to make an argument that the odds don't favor an occurance, than I want to see the stochastic calculation: what is the state-space, exactly, and what were to criteria for successful selection from the state-space?

If you don't show me that math, this argument is so much wind. It amounts to saying that, because I can't conceive how something occured, therefore the odds against it are astronomical. This would be transparent nonsense if it were not so often accompanied by polysyllabic scientisms and apparent examples concocted from the imagination, as with Behe et. al.

[gore3000]

abiogenesis?

Great article, really socks it to the dust loving atheists! Of course to them, rhetoric and fantasy is more valid than science.