Posted on 04/05/2002 10:24:10 AM PST by Orual
OOO! Tell Sci-Fi that to bring in some younger viewers, they need to get the rights to run the "Tripods Trilogy" that was done in England in the early 80's based on the books by John Christopher. It was a great show. We're now re-reading the trilogy with our younger kids. We are all enjoying it! I know that Disney is going to do some movies based on the books, but I'd love to see the TV shows again!
I have lost a child, and yearn to hear from him...but I know that contacting a fraud such as John Edward would do me nothing but harm, because the man obviously makes things up...
I will be content to hear from my son in the spirit, after I die, and go to meet him where he is...with the Lord...
Thank you kindly!!
Reading minds of individuals who are close to you is no trick, even from a distance, it's commonly done and merely admits to a very close relationship, but reading minds of dead people is simply absurd. Those who help the police solve murders are at least doing something very good with their talents, and I don't dismiss the idea that ESP may well be a valid concept, but in the vast majority of cases they have been proven to be ineffective. There are too many unsolved crimes - murders and missing persons - that remain cold cases.
I would like to see John Edwards point to a person in the audience and with no questioning whatsoever say, "Your name is Mary Brown. Your husband, John, who died in a car accident on Highway 65 at the intersection of Rts. 9 and 34, in 1995 wants you to know that you shouldn't buy that stock. He wants to send his love to your two children, Virginia and John, and look under the floorboard in the bedroom next to the carving of the horse. There's a surprise he left for you there." This assumes, of course, that he hasn't had prior information and there would be no way to have any knowledge of that unless someone talked.
If you believe in miracles, well then, you've opened up Pandora's Box to the Supernatural. Whether somebody is good, bad or canonized is immaterial, in the material world :^)
Reading minds of individuals who are close to you is no trick, even from a distance, it's commonly done and merely admits to a very close relationship, but reading minds of dead people is simply absurd.
A fundametal axiom of the Philosophy of Skepticism is that you can't answer a mystery by proposing an enigma. ESP is still in the realm of the "impossible". As for reading the minds of dead people, see my first comment as it relates to christian mysticism, or any other religious mysticism, for that matter.
Those who help the police solve murders are at least doing something very good with their talents, and I don't dismiss the idea that ESP may well be a valid concept, but in the vast majority of cases they have been proven to be ineffective.
The proof for whether a phenomena exists or not does not depend on its reliability. One case where it manifests, makes completely irrelevant all other cases where it does not.
I would like to see John Edwards point to a person in the audience and with no questioning whatsoever say, "Your name is Mary Brown. Your husband, John, who died in a car accident on Highway 65 at the intersection of Rts. 9 and 34, in 1995 wants you to know that you shouldn't buy that stock. He wants to send his love to your two children, Virginia and John, and look under the floorboard in the bedroom next to the carving of the horse. There's a surprise he left for you there."
Good psychics do this all the time - maybe with not quite as much detail - and with some errors and inaccuracies. But, if a psychic without prompting, accurately blurts out my address and describes my house, I'm not about to expect her to know my stock portfolio to prove that there "might just possibly be something maybe going on here."
And one difficult thing I was told during philosophical discussions/arguments with the psychic (I can be a pretty hard-nosed engineer demanding causation at every turn), was the concept of a flexible future, or multiple futures if you will. So a psychic could describle you in all the ways you demand, as far as your Mary Brown example goes, but the stock she tells you to avoid might turn out to be a real blockbuster winner after all....That's why I stopped seeing psychics. I have the power of the future in my own hands.
It is not a "Pandora's Box" to the Supernatural, but a Golden Box of faith in the Supernatural and the only Supernatural that we know is God.
The proof for whether a phenomena exists or not does not depend on its reliability. One case where it manifests, makes completely irrelevant all other cases where it does not.
One case of what? Where it manifests how? I reread your preceding statement several times and am convinced you can't possibly believe such sophistry
Good psychics do this all the time - maybe with not quite as much detail - and with some errors and inaccuracies.
Then I assume that there are good, better, best categories of psychics? Nonsense. You proved my point with this statement. If someone can truly read minds, the detail would be meticulous and there would be no errors and inaccuries.
ESP has been the object of scientific research for many years. I don't know if it exists, or if - as has been theorized - we all possess the ability to perform ESP, but haven't exercised that power of our brain. I remain open to the concept, though need more detailed, scientific proof. John Edward is a fraud. That's my main point.
That's why I stopped seeing psychics. I have the power of the future in my own hands.
Very smart move.
A rose by any other name....
The proof for whether a phenomena exists or not does not depend on its reliability. One case where it manifests, makes completely irrelevant all other cases where it does not........
>One case of what? Where it manifests how? I reread your preceding statement several times and am convinced you can't possibly believe such sophistry<
Lemme give you an example. Suppose every time somebody in Hollywood sees a Yeti, they track it down and finds out that it's Curly running around in a monkey suit. But then one day, Universal Studio police track another one down only to find out it's a real live LA basin Yeti. Smell and all. Would you conclude that Yeti's don't exist because every other time it was Curly goofing around? Basic logic, my friend.
That you don't believe in the Supernatural, miracles and faith is proof that they don't exist?
Would you conclude that Yeti's don't exist because every other time it was Curly goofing around? Basic logic, my friend.
Faulty logic, I'm afraid. I would certainly accept scientific proof of Yeti's existence. The problem is that there is no scientific proof that one can commune with the dead, and unless the dead arise and proclaim, "I did it!", there never will be. We'll have to wait until Judgement Day to obtain proof that the dead chose to appear on TV rather than to commune privately with their loved ones. Well, some of us will anyway.
Yeah...well. There are a lot more interesting and productive arguments out there....so why don't we just table this one 'til Judgement Day?
Which is why I wrote:
Well, some of us will anyway.
You, of course, should exercise your right to table it, but I simply don't see any other way one might question the dead.
>so why don't we just table this one 'til Judgement Day?<
You wrote:
>>Which is why I wrote:
Well, some of us will anyway.<<
>>You, of course, should exercise your right to table it, but I simply don't see any other way one might question the dead<<
I'm sure you will be wagging your little tail on your Judgement Day, saying "Neener, Neener, Neener!" Mighty christian of you, I must say. You've absorbed the basic message really well. I recommend you check on your reservations.
P.S. And if the spirits don't talk to you either, I don't blame them.
My, my, my. Such nastiness in response to my very measured, polite, and restrained replies to you. All of my remarks have been concerned with the idiotic concept that John Edward and those like him can commune with the dead. My reference to Judgement Day was merely to point out that if the dead can talk, that's the only day that those who believe in a final judgement will find out. It had nothing at all to do with me making personal moral judgements about individuals, and only peripherally with Christianity. Calm down and don't be so defensive.
P.S. And if the spirits don't talk to you either, I don't blame them.
Lighten up. The only spirits that "talk" are those that are around 90 proof.
What about the animated movies "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings"? And to be quite honest- I thought "Lord of the Rings" the movie sucked dirt! The animated version is far more entertaining and it is about 90 minutes long! And what about a talk show on fantasy gaming? Squad Leader is played by thousands- or Dungeon and Dragons- or Diplomacy? Sci FCi could really tap into a multi million dollar market by just hosting a talk or news show on startegic and fantasy gaming! Avalon Hill would surely pony up the dollars to be a sponser! I like the Sci Fci Channel but I suspect it is manged by non sci fci guys who have no clue who their target audience is since so much of what you have on that channel is just lame.
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