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To: spqrzilla9;Waco;Maelstrom;sandy;Atomic_Punk
I think the reason this seems to be a somewhat hot topic is that if there is one thing we have learned over the years it is that if we give an inch they take a yard. Let them ticket you if your pulled over for something without a seat belt and in a few years they will pull you over if you don't have one on, Let them seize a car and property in one situation, and soon it will be any crime, and let them start getting information on what we read if we break the law and they will soon want to know what we read all the time to see if we might break the law.

As I mentioned in another thread where they want to drug test entire schools soon they will want a drug test when you get a license, or yearly drug testing. Then maybe video cameras on every street corner, then in every house. Look at it as a series of pegs in a board going from top to bottom, absolute freedom at bottom, none at top. As a society of rules we agree not to start at the bottom. Each time a peg is moved up though, we slowly realize it will never move down. Like the time change the military set up years ago to confuse the enemy, some things just stay and never go away once we have them (ie sacred cow principle).

With each new law, each new case that 'we the people' lose those pegs move up. They are then used in other cases - saying, look they did it over there and the judge said ok, so you have to as well.

Speaking on strictly legal terms it may not sound like a bad idea or one that goes against our percieved notion of what the constitution says. But in the overall scheme of things these cases act slowly like rain, eroding the rock upon which we feel the country was founded. Much like christianity has been through - give in a little here, a little there, and soon you have a whole new faith with the same name.

It is our ability to stand by something which even if it at times has negative effects (like someone getting away with a crime on a technicality) that helps us in keeping our country free and great. Sure the 2nd amendment could allow people who are idiots to own guns and they may accidentally shoot themselves or use it in a crime. But we accept that, it is a tradeoff. We will never get to a point where there are no tradeoffs. The problem we have nowadays is that liberals think we can get to a point where everything is perfect - if we can just control everyone.

Funny thing though, the same god I have often heard people rant about - he watches you all the time, he judges your actions, punishes you, etc and so on - is what the liberals are pushing to become. Except they will be the ones watching us and making sure we all work together for what they 'believe' is best.

It would be interesting if they would re-write the 1st amendment and replace the word 'religion' with 'belief system'....

59 posted on 04/08/2002 10:53:08 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Funny thing though, the same god I have often heard people rant about - he watches you all the time, he judges your actions, punishes you, etc and so on - is what the liberals are pushing to become.

I've posted elsewhere that the liberal idealists are seeking to recreate Eden, a place where nobody has to worry about anything because nobody can do anything of consequence. What they fail to realize is that--far from being paradise--Eden 1.0 was fundamentally incompatible with human nature. Human beings have an inherent need to do something that "matters". If they cannot do anything positive, they will do something negative. Liberalism is based upon the lie that it's better to have nothing matter than to have to live with life's choices; what they fail to realize is that they are prescribing not Heaven, but Hell.

61 posted on 04/08/2002 11:31:45 PM PDT by supercat
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To: chance33_98
and let them start getting information on what we read if we break the law and they will soon want to know what we read all the time to see if we might break the law.

All in the name of "crime prevention" no doubt. We gotta see who's reading what so we can guage the risks involved with reading such material and to better protect the citizenry. And blah, blah, blah, this is for the best, we swear!. /sarcasm

EBUCK

88 posted on 04/09/2002 1:19:34 PM PDT by EBUCK
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