Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Blood of Tyrants
Nice try, Baal worshipper. Anti-Christians always try to misuse Christ's words to guilt Christians into silence. It won't work with me, my faith and my knowledge is stronger than your lies. There is nothing in the Bible that requires me to love or accept the garbage you spew.

You're absolutely right! There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that requires you to love or accept a single word I "spew!" Just for kicks and grins, though, let's see what the Bible says and see if I might have a point.

Surely you won't mind that, will you? Let's look at what the Bible says, without commenting on it (I won't even bold any type), and you can judge for yourself whether there MAY BE GROUNDS for someone to take and hold to a position that the Bible teaches that LIFE BEGINS when BREATH enters the body (and life ends when breath leaves the body), and new life begins at new birth when the Spirit of God enters into a man!

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. -- Genesis 2:7

All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils; My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit. -- Job 27: 3-4

The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. -- Job 33:4

Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: -- Ezekiel 37:5

And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. -- Ezekiel 37: 8-10

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. -- John 3: 2-7


50 posted on 04/09/2002 8:56:24 PM PDT by Risky Schemer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies ]


To: Risky Schemer
Yet you completely ignore Jeremiah, in which God says, "I knew you before you were born."

You REALLY have to twist the word of God to go from "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." to a position that condones the murder of unborn babies.

What demented church do you attend anyway? Does your pastor also hold these beliefs? May I e-mail him and ask him?

Do not post to me again because I won't answer. I know the devil when he is working, so begone.

55 posted on 04/09/2002 9:08:15 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies ]

To: Risky Schemer
Dear Risky Schemer,

I've been thinking about your post number #50 today. I understand and see the point you are trying to make. I did some study this afternoon to understand better, the verses you put forth. Assuming you are sincere in your convictions, I want to ask you to reconsider your belief that life begins at birth, because it doesn’t. It begins at conception.

The word "breath" in Genesis 2:7, Job 27: 3-4, Job 33:4 are all the same Hebrew word. The word means spirit, and I believe it means a soul, provided by God. It's not necessarily oxygen.

This same Hebrew word for breath is used in Job 32:8, "But it is a spirit in man, And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding." How is this word "breath" significant in your position of life beginning at birth, when this same Hebrew word is used to show that the Almighty gives us "understanding" through the Spirit. This word breath is not referring to oxygen.

If oxygen is your hang up, don't pre-born babies receive oxygen from their mother through the cord?

The word "breath" in Ezekiel 37:5, Ezekiel 37: 8-10 is a Hebrew word that means spirit also, but it is a different word. It means "personality" or the personality of the spirit or soul.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make by using John 3:27. "Born of water and the Spirit". The Greek word for born here means "conversion". The word Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

You can’t take these verses to prove your point and leave out the rest of the entire Bible which gives many examples of a baby being alive in the womb. There are dozens of examples of how God feels about people who murder their own children. Every Hebrew law, given by God, was to protect the innocent. The Lord loves the innocent. You have to take all the verses together, roll them up in a ball and see the BIG picture. There is a big beautiful forest out there, not just a few trees.

Sincerely,
Spookbrat

74 posted on 04/10/2002 3:37:11 PM PDT by SpookBrat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson