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AP Religion Writer | APRIL 08, 2002 | RACHEL ZOLL

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

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You're right. We've been complaining and talking about corruption in the American Church for a long time.

Trojan Horse in the City of God Click HERE:

[wideawake]

All this denunciation of Herek's study and yet you offer nothing in counterpoint.

Ah, but I have. You've simply chosen to ignore it, rather than confront it.

(1) The human sexual faculty exists for the purpose of procreation.

(2) The pleasureable nature of sexual intercourse exists to encourage humans to use their sexual faculty to procreate.

(3) Therefore, engaging in sexual intercourse solely for the purpose of pleasure is to mistake cause for effect.

(4) Sodomites engage in deviant sexual intercourse purely for pleasure - their acts biologically cannot result in procreation.

(5) Pedophiles engage in deviant sexual intercourse purely for pleasure - their acts biologically cannot result in procreation.

(6) Both groups therefore share an identical goal: self-gratification in the context of sexual activity devoid of procreative potential.

The very fact that deviant ideologues have produced such an organization as NAMBLA is quite telling, actually - as is the fact that this group openly marches with other sodomy-oriented organizations in national pro-sodomy marches and parades.

BTW, you say that Cameron is "thoroughly discredited". That may be so - but I've never seen a shred of empirical evidence to refute his findings, merely personal comments leveled at him by flamboyant talking heads.

Herek is thoroughly discredited as well - but you cite him anyway, so that's not really the issue. You don't mind the citation of discredited persons, as long as they reassure you in your predilection for sodomy.

Nothing I say will be credited by you because nothing I say will reassure you in that predilection.

[Slyfox]

Looks like a teeth-sinking good read.

[Claud]

As I've proven it occurs naturally in the animal kingdom as it does with humans. My only point. Not that we could fly.

You can prove that six ways from Sunday and still you are not understanding what "natural" means in the context of this discussion. Natural does not mean "occurs in nature", it means "that which is inherent to the essence of something."

Sex does exist for more than just procreation--there is a unitive aspect to it as well. But the pleasure is NOT a purpose. As wideawake said, the pleasure is a biological "incentive" IN SERVICE of the act of reproduction and union. Period. Take the sexual pleasure out of reproduction, we still have a world. Take the reproduction out of sexual pleasure and guess what...extinction in a century.

Tell us, if sex exists for the PURPOSE of pleasure, they why the heck didn't God or evolution or whatever you believe in just hard-wire that chemical pleasure into the brain in the first place instead of making us go through all these complications? Hmm?

[Claud]

Also, NAMBLA does not march in Gay Pride Parades. That's a lie.

Take a look see what a lie looks like.

[Antoninus]

1. That homosexuality is natural. Point made. Whether you it's "moral" or "ethical" is another debate entirely.

Using your analysis, one could argue that anything that has ever occurred in nature is by definition also natural to man. Homosexual sex is only "natural" in a sense that other animals may sodomize each other occasionally for whatever reason. Just like cannibalism and coprophagia, it is certainly NOT a condition that's natural to man.

2. Whether you think it's irrelevant or not is yet another entire debate. I'm just pointing out that jury is still out. Point made.

Good. Then at least we agree that your point is irrelevant...

[Antoninus]

An EXCELLENT book. I read it last summer. Von Hildebrand was a treasure.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Great cover design for that Sophia Press edition. I was flipping through The Devastated Vineyard (1973) earlier tonight and you could take passages right out of there and apply them to current problems without any realization they had been written about 30 years ago.

[Antoninus]

But, it is, Blanche, it is.

Your repeating it over and over will still never make it any less false.

I will pray for your conversion. No one who is yet alive is a hopeless cause, no matter how steeped in sin.

[Antoninus]

Great cover design for that Sophia Press edition. I was flipping through The Devastated Vineyard (1973) earlier tonight and you could take passages right out of there and apply them to current problems without any realization they had been written about 30 years ago.

I haven't read that one yet...