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To: samson1
I guess we should be on the Palestinians side of tolerance

Both sides long ago ran out of tolerance. We should be on the side of US interests, which in this case means (IHO)neither side. Our support of Israel has brought us the enmity of the 1/4 of the world's population which is Muslim, the contempt of Europe, the condemnation (and hidden glee) of Russia and China. What do we get for that? Certain politicians get large cash donations and the support of the media.

24 posted on 04/10/2002 10:05:54 AM PDT by Seti 1
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To: Seti 1
What do we get for that? Certain politicians get large cash donations and the support of the media.

I can't speak for certain politicans, as I imagine they're equal opportunity bribe-able, but the media has been very anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian these past few decades.

Having said that, I guess you're right, we really get nothing from the Israelis--except--if you're a certain kind of Christian, you believe in certain Bilble passages that Israel sits in a central poisition in God's eyes and must be supported. While people agree and disagree with that, it is a topic that influences our policies. IMHO, the Israelis are the wronged party, and since 9/11, again, IMHO, their enemies are our enemies, so I support Israeli actions to rid (their part of) the world of terrorists.

If your point is what US special interest would cause us to be pro-Israel and therefore anti-Arab/Muslim, then I really don't have an answer, but I still sense it is more right than wrong.

30 posted on 04/10/2002 10:16:45 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Seti 1
Why do you hide behind the veil of "US interests"? Just come out and say it, Seti ... you hate those &%^$% Jew #$%$@#'s, and you wish the US would stay out of the fracas so the Arab's would have a free hand at exterminating them once and for all.

You can try all you like to make Israel the aggressor, but the truth will always prevail. Israel has been attacked again and again by people whose desire is the elimination of the Jewish state ... and people.

31 posted on 04/10/2002 10:17:36 AM PDT by watchin
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To: Seti 1
Our support of Israel has brought us:

the enmity of the 1/4 of the world's population which is Muslim
Inevitable, given the world view of Islam, with or without our support of Israel.

the contempt of Europe
The gelatinous mass of European politicians, who stand for nothing, but expect U.S. protection from everything (including Islamic terrorists in their midst), is contemptible. We are above their contempt; they (with the possible exception of Great Britain and a few minor players), are beneath ours.

the condemnation (and hidden glee) of Russia and China
I’m not sure what you’re smoking, but whatever face-saving grumbling Russia might make, she does not oppose our support of Israel, since she herself has quite a problem with Islamic terrorists, which has nothing to do with Israel; as for China, the act of Americans breathing brings condemnation.

46 posted on 04/10/2002 11:01:02 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Seti 1
Our support of Israel has brought us the enmity of the 1/4 of the world's population which is Muslim, the contempt of Europe, the condemnation (and hidden glee) of Russia and China.

NO, we would of had that anyway.
The enmity of the muslem world is directed at the WEST, oh they hate the jews no doubt, but they hate us as well.
The Europeans can't stand us and we don't care.
The russians are undecided and the chinese would as soon see us brought down as the muslims.

Try and get this, no amount of kissing ass, groveling, kowtowing or hand wringing is going to bring their love acceptance,or respect of us.

On the other hand, we MUST not accept or deal with TERRORISTS. The evidence is plain, they can only be exterminated.

"OH the horror, you'll just create more!"

Guess what, more are being created and sent our way everyday! They are coming no matter what we do!

No matter how good our defense is some are going to get through, and the next time it won't be something as small as a couple of thousand dead.

Get with the program, the war has already started, and as comforting as it may seem to say,"Nope, not gonna get involved.", that ain't gonna happen,cause they aren't going to care.

Now don't get me wrong, this is not directed to you personally, I am just tired of seeing so many folks who are turning a blind eye to what is happening NOW.

63 posted on 04/10/2002 11:49:19 AM PDT by tet68
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To: Seti 1
Our support of Israel has brought us the enmity of the 1/4 of the world's population which is Muslim, the contempt of Europe, the condemnation (and hidden glee) of Russia and China. What do we get for that

The satisfaction of being on the side of freedom, self rule and justice. That particular list of folks being against us can and should be interpreted as a badge of honor.

88 posted on 04/10/2002 4:11:52 PM PDT by El Gato
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