Posted on 04/10/2002 12:04:31 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
"There probably can't be peace with Sharon around either. The best thing that could happen would be for both of them to step down. "Neither Churchill or Bush were even suspected of having the type of visceral hatred for their adversaries that Sharon almost certainly has for his. Neither had anyone on their cabinet who advocated evicting all their adversaries from their homes. Perhaps most tellingly, neither was accused by their own government of being complicit in a mass murder of civilians.That has got to be one of the most ludicrous statements I have seen in quite awhile. Following that logic, I guess Churchill should have stepped down during the Blitz, and Bush should have stepped down right after our terror attacks.
When a group of people have a grievance, you can do one of four things. Subdue them, convince them they're wrong,find a way to work out a deal which will satisfy them to some degree, or kill them off.
One, two, and three pretty much can't happen with Sharon in place. The Palestinians are as likely to forget Sabra and Chatilla as we are likely to forget the September 11th attacks.
-Eric
In case you haven't noticed, Sharon is an elected leader. So if he does something the Israeli people don't like, then they get to vote him out of office. Given that Sharon is enjoying more popularity now than he ever has, in effect what you are saying is that there can't be peace with the Israeli people as long as they keep voting Sharon into office. Is that really what you mean?Clinton was an "elected leader" as well. While he was lying under oath and launching missiles at aspirin factories to distract attention from his ex-sponge's testimony, he had very high approval ratings. Did this make him a non-Scumbag? Of course not.
As we came to our senses, hopefully so will the Israeli people.
-Eric
We're not ready to do that, and it's not the way we'd prefer to fight it. The bombs aren't manufactured yet, and the troops aren't in place.
Ideally, Saddam would be taken out using friendly or neutral bases in the Gulf, Iran could be toppled with a revolution or a coup, and Syria could be persuaded to do a General Musharraf routine.
We simply aren't ready for all hell to break loose, and meeting with Arafat postpones it, at least for a little while.
How much longer, I'm not sure. And your point about Iraq launching against Israel is well-taken. That presents a real problem for the US if that can't be prevented.
Just as Krauthammer said - watch what happens in Lebanon because this might blow right open.
Second, to the broader question here: I really don't get it. Israel CONTROLS Arafat. They have him in virtual captivity. If anyone is to do anything about him, WHY DON'T THEY?
"I told Cheney exactly what we are going to do. The message was very clear."
Sounds very ominous for Syria. Sharon is all but saying here that he's ready to move against that rabid little monster in Damascus. As he said...the message is very clear.
If Israel's legitimate self defense is making Bush's plans for dealing with Saddam more difficult than we should re-think our strategy. I'd rather have Israel on my side than all the Arab states and all of Europe. Israel will cooperate with us when we move against Saddam, let's accomodate them now.
Absolutely right. As I said before, I'd rather fight with Israel as my ally than all of Europe and all of the Arab states. Period.
And what the hell did you think they were saying when Saddam launched scuds at them and they sat on their hands because President Bush didin't want an Israeli retaliationm to upset his 'coalition'? And we didn't give them their Armed Forces, we give them several billions a year and then REQUIRE that they spend a very large portion of that money here in the US buying weapons.
Cool your jets. Time is of the essence here. We need to buy more time. Check out Tony Blair's statements today, over on Drudge.
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