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Gun Training Class Offered to Abused Women
The Oregonian ^ | Apr. 12, 2002 | Robin Franzen

Posted on 04/12/2002 3:19:05 PM PDT by Tuba-Dude

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To: Squantos
Oh no, the curse of the net strikes again!

Mr. Squantos, I've read many of your posts before and have always found you to be very interesting and very informative. Please, please, PLEASE be assured I took no offense from your "best gun for a woman" question - really. I typed the entire answer in a very good-natured manner (well, except for the titanium part...), and if we'd been sitting somewhere having the conversation it would have been obvious that I was in no way insulted. Sometimes I forget that people here can't see or hear me, and I apologize for any misunderstandings. All's well here, believe me. ;-)

That said, I can tell you that SAS hasn't done any kind of surveys about women and their gun of choice, but it would be an interesting thing to find out. It would be a good starting point for making a few recommendations, but personally I really hesitate to do that, because that's like telling people, "buy this or buy that." I think you have to learn what guns are all about and then go shopping with the knowledge in place. That's how you find the best gun for you, IMHO.

My everyday, 24/7 pistola , again for me, is a 1911A1 as that is what I have carried , trained and competed with most of my career and is memory-matic for the expected stress of self defense mode.

I love the 1911's, but most of them are just too big for me. Two-handed I'm fine, one-handed I'm in trouble. I guess I'll just have to settle... LOL...

Take good care, and again, no hard feelings here.

41 posted on 04/13/2002 12:13:09 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: Tuba-Dude
Sweet mother of all that is sacred...A PRO-2nd AMENDMENT GROUP IN OREGON!

There are a LOT of pro-gun folks in Portland. I lived there for 8 years, ending in 1996. And yes, it's a "shall issue" state.

It's also a very liberal state, in a lot of ways, but somehow the gun people have kept that part right.

42 posted on 04/13/2002 8:42:03 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: sarasmom
I would guess they still stress that if you have not made the decision to shoot to kill in self defense, you may as well throw the gun away

Whether they stress it in the courses or not - and they should - it's still a very important part of the equation. That decision has to be made UP FRONT, not during a moment of crisis.

43 posted on 04/13/2002 8:45:20 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: SSN558
You are going through a nasty divorce. The lawyers have turned what is normally and unpleasant situtation into a down right ugly one. Things being what they are some name calling has occurred. This would be called motive. Then someone shows up at someone elses front door at a strange hour. Who knows they might have had a change of heart and decided to try apoligizing and reach into the coat for a card or flowers. Of course you have bought a gun the week before and taken some gun training after the lawyers filled your head with paranoid thoughts. You brandish the gun and it is not self defense, bummer go to jail. Or even worse, someone gets shot. Now there is a good case for premeditation. You are screwed.

I think that you have been watching too much TV for you to consider this happening in real life.

Read the article. The classes teach the ethical and legal ramifications of using firearms.

44 posted on 04/13/2002 10:21:51 PM PDT by Jason Gade
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To: Tuba-Dude
The local TV stations take on this has been making me really angry. They claim that pro-gun groups are "arming women" or arming victims of domestic abuse. This does not "arm" women. It is up to the individual woman to arm herself. What these classes do is teach the women how to defend themselves with a firearm and the legal ramifications for doing so.
45 posted on 04/13/2002 10:27:13 PM PDT by Jason Gade
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To: Tuba-Dude
"More guns in these types of situations is flat-out dangerous," said Stacy Heyworth, head of the Multnomah County district attorney's domestic violence unit.. She further added, "What is wrong with the old-fashioned tried and trued method of burning your spouse with gasoline - guns will only lead to a tradjedy".
46 posted on 04/15/2002 4:26:50 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Tuba-Dude
WOW! I am pleasantly surprised by this!
It is long past time that this subject is taken seriously by someone besides the victim!
Now these coward men will think twice before showing up tormenting a rootin' tootin' gun totin' female!
47 posted on 04/15/2002 8:21:29 PM PDT by ladyinred
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