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To: Tuba-Dude
It is one thing for a person that has owned guns and has the nightmare of having to use it for self defense come true.

This is something else entirely. I don't agree with the NRA endorsement and this is why. Picture this.

You are going through a nasty divorce. The lawyers have turned what is normally and unpleasant situtation into a down right ugly one. Things being what they are some name calling has occurred. This would be called motive. Then someone shows up at someone elses front door at a strange hour. Who knows they might have had a change of heart and decided to try apoligizing and reach into the coat for a card or flowers. Of course you have bought a gun the week before and taken some gun training after the lawyers filled your head with paranoid thoughts. You brandish the gun and it is not self defense, bummer go to jail. Or even worse, someone gets shot. Now there is a good case for premeditation. You are screwed.

Owning and using guns is like driving a car. It may not be illegal but it is just not a good idea when you are emotionally distraught. One has to ask themself, "do I have the self control and maturity to make deadly force decisions during a period of emotional turmoil."

I believe everyone has the right to defend themselves, but encouraging people to become first time gun owners during a time of crisis is just plain bad judgement.

NRA member since 1968.

34 posted on 04/13/2002 5:35:02 AM PDT by SSN558
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To: SSN558
I can't believe I'm using the ant's statistics to make a point, but here goes: "They contend that for every time a woman used a handgun to kill an intimate acquaintance in self-defense in 1998, another 83 women were killed by an intimate acquaintance with a handgun."

It's correct that divorces are emotional times but the abused women aren't the problem. It's the men. Giving an abused woman a chance in case someone decides to show up at her door at an unusual hour keeps her alive. It will have to be the men that finally get the idea that they shouldn't continue to use the woman as a punching bag.

35 posted on 04/13/2002 6:12:25 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: SSN558
Then someone shows up at someone elses front door at a strange hour. Who knows they might have had a change of heart and decided to try apoligizing and reach into the coat for a card or flowers. Of course you have bought a gun the week before and taken some gun training after the lawyers filled your head with paranoid thoughts. You brandish the gun and it is not self defense, bummer go to jail. Or even worse, someone gets shot. Now there is a good case for premeditation. You are screwed.

This is part of what restraining orders would be for if Lautenberg hadn't [bleep]ed them up. If the woman has a restraining order against the husband, she's 99.44% in the clear since her husband will have had no business visiting her in such manner and would have known it.

36 posted on 04/13/2002 8:17:49 AM PDT by supercat
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To: SSN558
You are going through a nasty divorce. The lawyers have turned what is normally and unpleasant situtation into a down right ugly one. Things being what they are some name calling has occurred. This would be called motive. Then someone shows up at someone elses front door at a strange hour. Who knows they might have had a change of heart and decided to try apoligizing and reach into the coat for a card or flowers. Of course you have bought a gun the week before and taken some gun training after the lawyers filled your head with paranoid thoughts. You brandish the gun and it is not self defense, bummer go to jail. Or even worse, someone gets shot. Now there is a good case for premeditation. You are screwed.

I think that you have been watching too much TV for you to consider this happening in real life.

Read the article. The classes teach the ethical and legal ramifications of using firearms.

44 posted on 04/13/2002 10:21:51 PM PDT by Jason Gade
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