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To: rdb3
Well, my next statement is going to keep me in trouble with the sisters. Pregnancy, when it all boils down, is on the woman. A man can not, under any circumstance, get pregnant. True but men ARE fathers. And there is another 18 years after pregnancy to consider. In short, you put too much emphasis on pregnancy and fail to account for the TWO people who create that state. YOUR attitude is why we have abortion.

Therefore, the ultimate answer lies (no pun intended) with the woman.

No it does not. But if you insist on making it so, we will continue to have abortion. YOUR attitude is why we have abortion.

I'm not excusing irresponsible men,

Yes, you are. That is exactly what you are doing. And that is exactly what you are intentionally doing. But you knew that. If a woman truly does not seek to get pregnant, she can either decline to have sex, or, take every means possible to thwart it.

And if a man doesn't want to be a father to a child he co-created, he can do exactly the same. We're not talking about pregnancy, pregnancy lasts only 9 months, (thats 4% of a childs life from conception to age 18). What you are doing is putting the onus on the woman to be Un-pregnant as a prevention for a child existing. That attitude leads directly to... you guessed it... abortion. She can demand that the man wear a condom or say, "Nope. No nookie for you!"

Typical. Where is the man's responsibility? Oh I know, it is Mommy telling him what to do. Do men not have free will? Can he not think for himself and take responsibilty for his actions. Apparently not. Your attitude is that men are little children who must always have a "mommy" to blame for not restricting him. You need your mommy don't you?

When o when will some men act like men and not whiney little boys?

She can take birth control pills. If her body's hormones won't tolerate birth control pills, she can get an IUD. She can also use spermicidal products. The man can do this as well (prophylactics), but he's not the one who will get the pot belly. The woman will!

The man can get a vasectomy and he can wear a condom (without being asked). And believe me, I see plenty of men with pot bellies! (That was a cheep shot showing just how much regard you have for women).
43 posted on 04/15/2002 11:51:51 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
YOUR attitude is why we have abortion.

Okay, now the gloves have come off, and all chivalry is thrown out the window.

IT'S MY FAULT? I'm a 30 year old, married man. I've been married for five years. My wife and I have not had children yet. Now, before I got married, and I'll admit it for what it's worth, I had more women than I care to remember. Yet, I NEVER impregnated one woman in my life. Not one.

It's my fault? It's MY attitude?

Coming out of the inner-city, I knew that outside of drug dealing, the only other sure way for me not to make it out of the 'hood was to get a woman pregnant. Therefore, I didn't.

It's my fault?

It's my attitude?

Who carries the baby? The woman. Who can get pregnant? The woman. The ultimate solution for a woman not getting pregnant is on who? The woman. Did I mention it is the woman who is the only one who gets pregnant? Yeah, I thought I did.

Now, for those men out there who are nothing more than sperm donors, I blame them for their practices. But let's be totally honest here. How many men are going to refuse a woman who spreads her legs, huh? How many? Therefore, the woman must not be STUPID enough to lie down with just any man! Yeah, I said it, and I'll say it again. I've come across tons and tons of STUPID WOMEN. Them there is the facts, like them or not.

Another thing, donating the sperm that fertilizes an egg does NOT make a man a father. It makes him a "baby's daddy," but it for damn sure doesn't make him a father. There's a huge difference. Though I am a stepfather, I am the definition of a FATHER. I may as well have sired him myself. His biological father dropped the ball big time, and I made up the difference. If I'm that dedicated to a seed that is not mine, how much more will I be to the seed that comes from my loins?

It's my fault? It's my attitude?

You better take that poppycock nonsense somewhere else. It doesn't fly here.

44 posted on 04/15/2002 12:20:33 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Lorianne;rdb3
When oh when will some men act like men and not whiny little boys?

When they are with women who accept half the responsibility and cede half the rights.

That scenario happens.

Just not in all cases.

46 posted on 04/15/2002 1:39:44 PM PDT by The Giant Apricots
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