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1 posted on 04/16/2002 3:32:03 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
"Good fences make good neighbors,"

Frost was being sarcastic, as he was in most of his famous quoted lines.

I have been struggling for some time with the image of a Berlin Wall around Israel.

I think it's going to happen.

4 posted on 04/16/2002 5:13:13 AM PDT by js1138
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Walling Off Palestinians May Be the Only Hope for Israelis...

CALL IT THE "PEACE WALL"!

6 posted on 04/16/2002 5:25:00 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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I think putting a wall between these two peoples is a great idea. Maybe for the next decade or so. But, what do you do about the Israeli settlements (or, "land grabs," as I prefer to call them) scattered throughout Palestine? I think some major buy-outs and open housing guarantees may be in order. Would be great investments for some very smart heavy hitters. One day, Israel and Palestine are going to be the crown jewels of the Mid East. Mark my words.
8 posted on 04/16/2002 5:31:06 AM PDT by elwoodp
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Short of expulsion, which no one should want, separation can be accomplished in only one way,

I totally disagree here! I have read more and more articles that discuss the concept of total victory and population shifts as the only way to bring peace to the region.

Israel needs to win this war and remove the muslims from their nation. Israel must act as a conquering nation and secure its borders.

14 posted on 04/16/2002 6:35:20 AM PDT by kapn kuek
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The war of the 21st Century is emerging between nationalism and globalism. The globalists sympathies are clearly growing toward the Islamic fundamentalists. This makes nationalistic countries like the US and Israel under seige. Nationalism is based on secure borders, if a nation's borders are not natural, then a nation must secure them in any way possible. If it takes a wall or a fence, so be it.
16 posted on 04/16/2002 6:41:16 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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Yes, the wall is the only answer. It must be more than just a wall, too -- it must be a security zone wider than the max effective range of small arms like RPGs and mortars.

That still won't be wide enough to protect them from the type of rockets that are being fired at them from Lebanon. Ultimately, the Israelis are going to have to retain the right and capability of taking out any threatening military assets across their borders.

I know that the Israelis feel that all of Palestine should belong to them. The Palestinians feel just as strongly that it all belongs to them. Each side is going to have to give up something, whether they want to or not. The Israelis are going to have to pull out of their settlements for now, and accept the fact that they are trying to grab for too much. Secure national survival within a part of the promised land is preferable to assured destruction while stubbornly grasping for what is beyond their reach.

At the same time, if the Israelis must abandon their W Bank and Gaza settlements, then all of the Palestinians and "Israeli Arabs" (at least the muslim ones, Christin Arabs should be welcome to stay) need to be out of Israel as well. Better a semi-peaceful transfer of populations now than a deadly ethnic cleansing later.

20 posted on 04/16/2002 9:05:51 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
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