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The Doolittle Raid: April 18, 1942 (60 Years Ago Today)
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Posted on 04/18/2002 11:03:11 AM PDT by Come And Take It

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To: NativeNewYorker
PC TRASH whitewash!!
41 posted on 04/18/2002 3:39:48 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: sandydipper
He also spent some time in the water when the Japs sank Hornet on 10-26-42. I love to hear him talk.

The IJN lost the last of their experienced carrier pilots sinking Hornet. That ship sure took alot of punishment before going down.

42 posted on 04/18/2002 3:45:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Come And Take It
The Hornet Museum

This was the one built after CV-8 was sunk.
CV-12 destroyed almost 1,500 Jap planes and was never hit by a Kamikaze.
This ship has a fantastic history!
I'd always hoped they'd berth the Missouri on the other side of the pier in Alameda.

43 posted on 04/18/2002 3:48:15 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: NativeNewYorker
I saw the Pearl Harbor movie last year with Ben Affleck (spelling?). My husband tells me it was full of historical inaccuracies, such as the fighter pilots, such as Rafe and Danny, did not switch over to bombers to fly the Dolittle raids. And the scene with Kate listening to the voices of boyfriends in the cock pit in a special radio room, it just did not happen like that.

But this movie will probably be the only recent reference to the Dolittle raids that most younger people (gen Xers) will see. Unless they are fans of the History channel.

Good article. Thank you Free Republic!

44 posted on 04/18/2002 3:55:10 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: shekkian
"Actually Yamamoto was shot down over Formosa."

Actually, it was over Bougainville, on a flight from Rabaul.

Maj. John W. Mitchell -- leader of the Yamamoto shoot-down

45 posted on 04/18/2002 4:03:40 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Come And Take It
There is a movie, "Thirty Seconds Over Tokoyo", based on a story by a Doolittle Raid Pilot Ted Lawson (played by Van Johnson).

It followed the book very closely and very well done.

46 posted on 04/18/2002 4:21:09 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: PhilDragoo
FWIW... today WOULD be a symbolically important day to "strike back at the heart of the evil ones". Symbols are effective. Operation Doolotsa Damage?
47 posted on 04/18/2002 4:36:10 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: shekkian
I agree, an excellent read. Hard to imagine a character like him making it as far in today's Air Force -- no disrespect intended.
48 posted on 04/18/2002 4:36:23 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Come And Take It
Excellent article, except "many of the planes stalled on take-off" didn't happen. None of the B-25s stalled on take-off, which is evidenced by the fact that none of them crashed right after leaving the Hornet. They should have asked a pilot to proof read the copy....
49 posted on 04/18/2002 4:42:09 PM PDT by Bobsat
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To: stillonaroll
this event

This raid was the first notice to the people of Japan that they were not invincible. From that moment, they knew what was coming, just a matter of time.

50 posted on 04/18/2002 4:47:15 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Come And Take It
The Medal of Honor citation from The Army Center for Military History.

DOOLITTLE, JAMES H. (Air Mission)

Rank and organization: Brigadier General, U.S. Army. Air Corps. Place and date: Over Japan. Entered service at: Berkeley, Calif. Birth: Alameda, Calif. G.O. No.: 29, 9 June 1942. Citation: For conspicuous leadership above the call of duty, involving personal valor and intrepidity at an extreme hazard to life. With the apparent certainty of being forced to land in enemy territory or to perish at sea, Gen. Doolittle personally led a squadron of Army bombers, manned by volunteer crews, in a highly destructive raid on the Japanese mainland.

51 posted on 04/18/2002 6:40:44 PM PDT by JAWs
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To: come and take it
Great Post.
52 posted on 04/18/2002 6:48:05 PM PDT by Repub Bub
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To: NEWwoman
I saw the Pearl Harbor movie last year with Ben Affleck (spelling?). My husband tells me it was full of historical inaccuracies

But is it a true historical fact that Jimmy Doolittle promised to leave the country if Mussolini was not elected president? Or called for mobs to lynch republican congressmen? Or beat up Kim Bassinger?

53 posted on 04/18/2002 8:29:24 PM PDT by Castlebar
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To: Bobsat
Thanks for the suggestion. Looking over things tonight, "nearly stalled" would probably be more accurate. If you have any suggestions as to a pilot who was there who would be willing to proof the article, let me know. -- Joel (author of posted article)
54 posted on 04/18/2002 9:50:27 PM PDT by JoelShep
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To: JoelShep
Look for a book titled "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo" by Ted Lawson. Lawson was command pilot of the #7 plane off the Hornet, and managed to forget to put down his flaps prior to takeoff. He missed sticking it into the water by about 6 feet, when his plane staggered off the end of the deck, and in fact dropped out of sight of the deck personnel before he gained enough airspeed to fly.

After the raid, Lawson's crew flew on to China, and ran into a storm off shore. It was getting dark, and so Lawson figured he could land on a beach, wait 'til dawn, and find the airstrip in daylight. The B-25 lost an engine as they came in on final, over the water, and hit the surf at about 120 mph. Lawson's left thigh was ripped open from crotch to knee as he flew thru the canopy, the co-pilot suffered the same to his right leg, the bombardier, McClure, was slashed up when he went thru the nose greenhouse, and the navigator broke both shoulders.

The crew washed ashore, still alive, and the only unhurt man, Thatcher, the gunner, connected up with Chinese guerillas, who smuggled the whole crew on stretchers to Chungking. Lawson wound up losing his leg above the knee to infection, and then got home to write his book.

You have to wonder if clinton, or baldwin, could have done it for real...

55 posted on 04/18/2002 11:08:06 PM PDT by jonascord
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To: jonascord
Good post But after watching pearl harbor and who they had play J.D. still makes me want to barf. Do you thing I can sue for Phy. damage ?
56 posted on 04/19/2002 1:23:52 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: JoelShep
Thanks for the suggestion. Looking over things tonight, "nearly stalled" would probably be more accurate. If you have any suggestions as to a pilot who was there who would be willing to proof the article, let me know. -- Joel (author of posted article)

"Nearly stalled" may not be wholly accurate either. I was an Army pilot of a heavy twin -- but I wasn't there. Short field takeoffs put you into the air without as much airspeed as you want, and your choice is to climb or accelerate. If you climb near stall speed, any engine burp or gust can bring you down. The only real choice is to accelerate until you get to single engine flying speed. The B-25s presumably had 70 knots or so off the deck from the wind plus the Hornet's headway. With the additional lift from the propwash over the wings and flaps, the B-25 might have already been at or above stall speed so any acceleration would be gravy.

To an observer on the deck, watching the takeoffs would be "painful" because they would look like they're struggling to fly. However, they only needed 30 or so knots above their base airspeed (headwind plus headway) to be at the best airspeed to clean up the flaps, etc. In other words, the takeoffs would look a lot worse than they actually were.

Then there's the ground cushion whether you're over water or not. This is where you really need to find one of the actual pilots to determine what their briefing was. Within about 30 feet of the surface, the air under your wings is compressed slightly giving you a bunch extra lift. On short takeoffs, you can get "just" airborne, pull the gear up, and accelerate on the ground cushion to get the speed you need, clean up the flaps, and zoom off into the wild blue yonder. The critical zone is accelerating from liftoff to single engine flying speed -- maybe about 30 knots for a loaded B-25. No problem when the ground is ground. But they were presumably in heavy seas. How much was the "ground" undulating? It wouldn't do to try to ride a ground cushion over 30' waves!

The post below yours seems to accurately recount the movie with Van Johnson playing the part of the flapless pilot. What was left out is that one of the Hornet's crewmen lost an arm in one of the propellers of that airplane as it was running up. That was a serious distraction, and both the pilot and copilot missed the flaps item on the checklist. But the actual incident is proof that the takeoffs were anything but barely within the B-25's flight envelope. That's probably the only airplane that had to ride the ground cushion.

As I said, you've written a fine article!

57 posted on 04/19/2002 7:25:16 AM PDT by Bobsat
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To: Castlebar
Yikes! I did some research and until now did not realize Alec Baldwin pretended to be Dolittle. We got a free movie at Holiday Inn as part of the Holiday Inn Perferred members club, which is the only reason we saw it. Boy! I'm glad we didn't pay any money for it.
58 posted on 04/19/2002 10:02:48 AM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: jonascord
As a matter of fact, under the "Letters of Marque" provision, the idea of guided missles is not totally out of bounds. Why should "guided" missiles be a federal monopoly? Socialism is letting the government do your thinking for you.

Besides, there is actually no reason that someone could not or should not be able to put a package into orbit. If we had waited for the government to provide us with airplanes and automobiles, everyone would still be walking...

59 posted on 04/20/2002 11:37:32 AM PDT by jonascord
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To: RightWhale
You can still visit the site that Doolittle and his boys used to practice take off on a short deck. The field is located south of Tyndall AFB Panama City Florida, and the markings are still painted on the runway, we used it for an auxillary field during the Korean War.
60 posted on 04/20/2002 11:55:15 AM PDT by BooBoo1000
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