[anniegetyourgun]

"The question of unequal treatment of the genders here is indisputable."

Marriage is between one man and one woman. There are but two genders - male and female. There is no discrimination in marriage for those who claim to be homosexual or lesbian. A homosexual male still has the right to marry a woman. The lesbian still has the right to marry a man.

Taking your relativistic approach, you cannot deny a 40 year old to marry a 3 year old. You cannot deny a man to marry his goat. You cannot deny 3 men to marry 1 woman.

Laws are created for social order and for the good of society. There is no such thing as "gay marriage" because it is an oxymoron. There is but one definition of marriage.

I recognize you have no desire to see social order or for laws that might provide constraint. But the utopia you see in your mind will never exist due to evil in the world. Civil governments (which should certainly be limited) are still there to place constraints around that evil in society. Despite what you may think, there is still a place for law and government.

[strictconstruct]

Wow.. lol.. nice try

The fact is, the lesbian may have a right to marry a man, but she doesn't have the same right to marry a woman as a male citizen does. I note that you didn't dispute that men are treated one way and women are treated another way. All men are treated equally to each other, and all women are treated equally to each other, but men are not treated equally to women. Very simple.

Your comparison to marriage with minors and animals is faulty. A goat is not a citizen and thus has no marriage rights. And while ages vary state-by-state for legal marriage, they are applied equally across all citizens. A white person, a black person, a male, a female, a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim.. that age standard is equal for all of these individuals.

Given these facts, and given that men are treated one way and women another way, where in the Constitution does it say that this separate-but-equal treatment is okay? No judicial activism, please.. we're all good little conservatives here.