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Gay bash? Sounded like truth to me.

St. Pat Msgr. Hits Gays On Scandal / Blames woes on 'disorder,' U.S. immorality

1 posted on 04/23/2002 1:36:57 AM PDT by kattracks
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Here we go.
2 posted on 04/23/2002 1:49:49 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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Gee whiz, if it's not homosexuality, then why are 95% of the victims males? If it were just a case of pedophilia, then girls would have been molested at approximately the same rate as boys. The p.c. liberal media just can't face the truth.
3 posted on 04/23/2002 1:55:19 AM PDT by driftless
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"DIDN'T HAVE EGAN BLESSING"

His remarks are consistant with Scripture, both Old and New Testament.

IS THIS GAY BASHING?

ROMANS 1:16-32 For I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: for Jew first, and then Greek For in it is revealed the righteousness of God from faith to faith; as it is written, "The one who is righteous by faith will live". The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them. Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse; for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents. They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

4 posted on 04/23/2002 2:04:02 AM PDT by TacomaJoe
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7 posted on 04/23/2002 3:21:28 AM PDT by foreverfree
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A St. Patrick's Cathedral priest who is under fire for a sermon bashing homosexuality as the prime cause of priest child-molestation

This is funny, and it looks like someone trying to shift focus. We should remind him again why all the American cardinals are in Rome now. Couldn't be because of all the pedophile Catholic priests now, could it?

I know it goes deeper, but on the surface this looks too much like the pot calling the kettle black.

8 posted on 04/23/2002 3:34:14 AM PDT by Quila
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The Bible talks about shepherd’s who lead their sheep to the slaughter. It is talking about these evil, PC concience, truth denying priests like EGAN!!!
10 posted on 04/23/2002 4:12:07 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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So the 'purple mafia' is upset with Msgr. Clark and they have designated him their 'Target of the Week.'

IMHO this entire story is based on the following paragraph:
"Egan's spokesman Joseph Zwilling confirmed the cardinal did not clear Clark's homily before leaving for Rome on Sunday to meet with the pope on the sex-abuse issue. Zwilling also said Clark was speaking "for himself" in the homily."

Does the author mean to imply that ALL homilies must be pre-approved by the Cardinal? Nonsense! I'm sure the question to Fr. Zwilling was something along the lines of:
"Is this the Churches Official Position?"
The reply being: "No."
And from that point it becomes "The archdiocese distancing itself from the remarks." ...More balderdash!

Msgr. Clark told the truth... too bad the media won't let that be the story.

19 posted on 04/23/2002 5:12:30 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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Although I thought Clark's homily smacked of scapegoating, I do not believe that referring to homosexuality as a disorder equals "gay-bashing".
20 posted on 04/23/2002 5:23:14 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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"....he did not clear Sunday's homily with his boss....Egan's spokesman Joseph Zwilling confirmed the cardinal did not clear Clark's homily...."

WOW! ! !

23 posted on 04/23/2002 5:42:09 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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Can't these people even protect the true believers? Still worried about being politically correct and not realizing that is what got them into all this trouble in the first place.
26 posted on 04/23/2002 5:58:47 AM PDT by OldFriend
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So now America's Catholic Priests, the 99.9988 percent [Actual Statistic] of them, that is, who are not child molesting sexually deviant homosexual perverts, are to be taken to task for Truth Telling?

God save US!

29 posted on 04/23/2002 6:08:00 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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I don't give a rat's butt what this guy said about gays, but I take special offense to his remark that America is "probably the most immoral country" in the Western Hemisphere. He's out of line with that remark. We might just as well say the Catholic Church is probably the most perverted Church in the Western Hemisphere. But we don't say that, because without some objective data to back it up, it would be merely anecdotal and subjective. Maybe the Catholic Church is the most perverted Church, but without data, it'd be wrong to say so.
31 posted on 04/23/2002 6:22:42 AM PDT by Huck
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did not clear Sunday's homily with his boss, Edward Cardinal Egan

As far as I know, an ordained clergy does not have to "clear" their homilies with anyone. They may eventually be chastised for what they say, but I believe all clerics are protected under canon law to preach the gospel truth. Period!

35 posted on 04/23/2002 6:54:51 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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I have to admit that I sometimes have been accused of being a dinosaur Cowboy because I think differently from my Yankee relatives, but I know this. When a man sticks his penis into a young man's asshole it aint a heterosexual experience. The highest percentage of abused individuals were teenage boys. It's like the gays are always saying, Recruit, recruit, recruit!! Good Gawd almighty, this is the reason the Church doesn't want homosexual priests, and the reason the BSA doesn't want homosexual scout masters. Why don't the homosexuals learn to deal with it.

The sermon was not gay bashing it was telling it like it is. I wish I had been there for the sermon, I'm game enough to get up and applaud afterward.

59 posted on 04/23/2002 7:51:56 AM PDT by TEXASPROUD
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God bless Msgr. Clark.

It's too much to hope for, I guess, but would that John Paul II accepted Egan's resignation and appointed Msgr. Clark the new Cardinal of New York.

61 posted on 04/23/2002 7:57:29 AM PDT by gumbo
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Monsignor Eugene Clark said his comments "have been misconstrued and misinterpreted."

"Worse yet, that trial balloon fell right on my foot -- I think it broke a toe."

77 posted on 04/23/2002 8:34:13 AM PDT by steve-b
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These faggot pseudo-priests are wolves in sheep's clothing preying on the innocent.
80 posted on 04/23/2002 8:36:41 AM PDT by TransOxus
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Get ready. There's going to be a deluge of straightophobic homosexuals invading the website to discuss how the priests did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinski......er......I mean......all those young impressionable boys.
85 posted on 04/23/2002 8:53:14 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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He also reportedly said the United States has a "sex-saturated society" and is "probably the most immoral country" in the Western Hemisphere.

Damn straight. We need more leaders like this man. This guy has the guts to say what most decent men and women already know is true. It would be nice if Pres. Bush would follow this guy's lead. I just don't think he has the guts. We need a cultural counter-revolution TODAY.

90 posted on 04/23/2002 9:17:49 AM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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Something is out of whack when saying that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to sexually molest teenage boys is considered to be a controversial statement.
95 posted on 04/23/2002 9:55:55 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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