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The church does not officially forbid homosexual priests as long as they abide by celibacy rules.

The church should take their lead from the boy scouts.

1 posted on 04/24/2002 2:11:43 AM PDT by kattracks
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"How weak is their calling if they get the willies about being around gay men?"

Ah, could I broach the subject by saying, "That's exactly what they're afraid of getting Bright Path!"  It's not from being around them.  It's from them.  Duh!

2 posted on 04/24/2002 2:17:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kattracks
The church does not officially forbid homosexual priests as long as they abide by celibacy rules.

Can someone explain this one to me? It is my understanding that celibacy is defined as one who does not marry; one who practices sexual abstinance. So how in the hell do the pillow biters get away with just because they are not having sex with a woman, they a celibate?

Get rid of the queers--get rid of the problem. Simple as that.

SR

3 posted on 04/24/2002 2:22:30 AM PDT by sit-rep
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4 posted on 04/24/2002 2:26:29 AM PDT by history_matters
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I have no quarrel with them adopting the Boy Scout model. How the heck did we get here anyway? But this is absolutely the wrong time to make the case for such in my opinion. I absolutely equate this as a homosexual act, however blaming it on that alone is missing the mark in my book. Heterosexual oriented Priests looked the other way as this happend. To blame this solely on Homosexuals is a terribly self-serving thing to do. The criminality involved here wasn't isolated to one sexual preference IMO. Perps maybe. Silent partners no.
5 posted on 04/24/2002 2:27:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: kattracks
Hey, at least someone gets it - BUMP!

The infiltration of this malignancy into the Church and it's propagation and subsequent cover up is the reason the church is having this problem. Now that they are beginning to understand this maybe they can fix it.

7 posted on 04/24/2002 2:45:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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Here we go. We knew it would happen. The gay defense begins.
9 posted on 04/24/2002 3:18:01 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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"How weak is their calling if they get the willies about being around gay men?"

Just attend one gay pride parade and you'll understand completely why straight men would get the willies around that bunch.

10 posted on 04/24/2002 3:25:09 AM PDT by Zorobabel
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If they focused on INDIVIDUALS committing CRIMES maybe we would be getting somewhere, but if that CRIMINAL had gone to CONFESSION???...is there a CATCH-22?

Is there any JUSTICE for the VICTIM in the CHURCH?

15 posted on 04/24/2002 3:57:27 AM PDT by PGalt
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"Gay Catholic groups said they were outraged that the church appears to be blaming the pedophilia scandal on homosexuality"

I've heard that, but I also heard somewhere else that 95% of the cases are with teenage boys. If true, that's more homosexual than pedophilic.

16 posted on 04/24/2002 4:13:41 AM PDT by elfman2
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Gregory, head of the U.S. Conference of Bishops, said the clergy faces recruitment problems "when there does exist within any given seminary a homosexual dynamic that makes heterosexual young men think twice before entering for fear they may be identified with that orientation or that they would be harassed."

A friend of mine entered the seminary last year. He skipped local St. John's Seminary in Brighton (under Cardinal Law) for this very reason. He's now at a traditionalist seminary (with a "no poofta" policy) under Bishop Bruskewitz in Nebraska.

I'm very happy that the Cardinals have spoken the unspeakable word. Now things will get interesting.

17 posted on 04/24/2002 4:14:04 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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"The church does not officially forbid homosexual priests as long as they abide by celibacy rules." The church should take their lead from the boy scouts.

This is beyond being misleading...this is pure de wrong! Back at the beginning of VaticanII in 1961 the was a document prohibiting the ordaination of homosexuals and this document is still current...has not been altered or repealed. So now we have the major newspapers misrepresenting Magisterial teachings to the general public and the catholic at large. Time to blast back at this paper, folks!
20 posted on 04/24/2002 4:54:02 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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Bump!
22 posted on 04/24/2002 5:08:26 AM PDT by EdReform
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Get all the Judas's out. Judas didn't believe in Jesus, he just wanted to be the keeper of the money. Same with these infiltrators, they don't believe in Christ, they just see an opportunity to be a wolf in sheep's clothing.
23 posted on 04/24/2002 5:09:44 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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Well, while we're discussing homosexuals and how you certaining can't blame them; here comes the United Way in Raleigh, NC removing the boy scouts from their money distribution list; how timely. This on top of current events rocking the (it will be all denominations, by the time this is over) clergy. Do the liberals and homosexuals control everthing?
24 posted on 04/24/2002 5:13:15 AM PDT by captnorb
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To: kattracks
The church does not officially forbid homosexual priests as long as they abide by celibacy rules.

This is garbage. The Church published a directive in 1961 during the pontificate of that darling of the liberals, John XXIII, which forbade the ordination of homosexual priests.

That directive has never been rescinded.

27 posted on 04/24/2002 5:23:08 AM PDT by marshmallow
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Glad to see that the Catholic Church is not blaming their abstinence policy as the problem like the media does. This is mostly a gay problem and gays tend to prey on young men/boys.
34 posted on 04/24/2002 5:40:15 AM PDT by Always Right
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A lot of it depends on how one defines pedophilia. If one defines it as having sex with pre-pubescent children, then most of the cases we are talking about here are not pedophilia.

What we really have, in most cases, are gay priests attempting to have sex with vulnerable, underage post-pubescent males. That's absolutely wrong and vile and so forth, but it doesn't fit the classic example of pedophilia, which would be someone trying to have sex with 8-year-olds of either gender.

That doesn't mean there haven't been cases of hetero priests trying to have sex with 14-year-old girls (or 30-year-old adult women). It doesn't mean there haven't been cases of pedo priests trying to have sex with 7-year-olds.

But most of these cases involve gay priests trying to have sex with teenaged boys, generally vulnerable or lonely (or confused) teenage boys who implicitly trust an authority figure. And those aspects make these predatory priests well beyond despicable (as are the hetero and pedo priests).

It's an open joke that many seminaries are full of gay men. While it's wrong for them to violate their vows of celibacy, if they're buggering fellow adult gays at least that's not exploitative. When they're taking advantage of teenaged boys, that's absolutely sick.

The gay community should be out front denouncing adult men (whether gay or hetero) who take advantage of underaged boys or girls, whether the adult men are gay or straight. Instead we have the gay community trying to defend this sort of behavior and challenging any attempts to call it for what it is. Not that the gay activist community impressed me all that much, but they're even more vile than I had thought.

36 posted on 04/24/2002 5:41:32 AM PDT by Numbers Guy
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It is truly hard to believe that this ailing Pope must instruct these erudite Bishops and Cardinals that Priestly Homosexual Rape of Children is a sin and it is unlawful.

Bad enough to think that these clerics are the "leaders" of our Church and were hiding all this abuse but to think they are this Stupid is really diffucult to handle.

"cardinal" Law says he "made a mistake" he is a mistake.

Nonsense, he made a choice!

He chose to protect the Homosexual Perverts over the safety of the children for 15 or more years.

He chose Secrecy,Lying,and Betraying his God,His Church and the Children.

He chose to continue to Stonewill the Victims, the legal system and the Faithful Catholics still in the Church.

He chose to be a vehicle for the Smoke to enter the Sanctuary of the Church.

He Chose Poorly? God help the victims,God help our church.

38 posted on 04/24/2002 5:51:27 AM PDT by chatham
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Simple question:

Is a homosexual someone who is attracted to members of their own gender, or someone who has sex with members of their own gender? It seems to me that the church considers people homosexual based upon their attractions rather than their behavior.

44 posted on 04/24/2002 6:13:20 AM PDT by Gerfang
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Yep, it's the homosexuals, stupid.

Sadly, once the RC church figures that out and announces a ban on homosexuals in the preisthood, there will be an all out war against their very right to exist in this country, particularly in their charitable efforts that utilize tax dollars. The liberal courts will cut them off at every corner. The homosexual lobby will have every private and public institution boycotting the RC church. The media will treat that church as an enemy in our midst. From there it will spread to all bible-adherents - especially Protestants who defend the RC position on homosexuality on biblical grounds.

We are fast separating into the a world of the Church and the anti-church. Maranatha.

52 posted on 04/24/2002 6:49:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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