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Mexico Seeks US Withdrawal to pre-1848 Borders
BSNN.NET ^ | 4-30-02 | Hidalgo Riviera (BSNN.NET)

Posted on 04/30/2002 2:41:57 PM PDT by KLT


Above: This map shows how the boundaries would change under a new Mexican proposal that seeks to have the US withdraw to pre-1848 borders.

WASHINGTON (BSNN Headline News)— Mexican President Vicente Fox yesterday presented President Bush with a stunning proposal aimed at prolonging “peaceful relations” between the US and Mexico. The 1-point proposal, which Fox handed Bush during their recent session at a Washington DC Chi Chi’s, is intended to be a comprehensive, long-term resolution of the many problems facing the two nations. The Mexican solution calls for a US withdrawal to pre-1848 borders.

White House spokesman Hari Flascher said that President Bush considered the Mexican proposal “helpful and constructive.”

“There was a lot of overlap with the president’s own ideas,” Flascher said. “Including the idea of giving California and its 54 electoral votes, or Arizona and its gray-haired Senator, back to the country that rightfully owns them.”

Another positive aspect of the Mexican proposal from the Bush Administration’s point of view is the elimination of the issue of amnesty for illegal Mexican immigrants.

“Let’s face it,” Flascher conceded. “Most of the illegal Mexicans in this country reside in areas the US conquered illegitimately anyway.”

One potential trouble spot is the US withdrawal from the Republic of Texas. The Bush Ranch is located in Crawdad, Texas, and the president loves it very much. But the administration's willingness to leave the door open for discussion of the future of Texas was a reflection of its eagerness to portray the president as a uniter not a divider.

"We both came to agreement on the vision for the future of our two nations," Bush said. “The intention of the meeting was to see whether we could achieve a common agreement on how to get all these illegal Mexicans—and John McCain—out of the country without angering Hispanic-American voters and Chris Matthews.”

“On some points,” Bush added, “we have reached agreement, like returning California and Arizona to Mexico, while on others, like what to do with the Crawdad Ranch, we have not yet reached agreement. But we are working hard on having it…agreement, I mean.”

But President Bush, while hailing the Mexican plan as positive, said that a complete return to pre-1848 borders would "destroy the United States."

Meanwhile, the Mexican Government has insisted that its state should include all the territory "ceded under duress" in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican-American war.

“We view the existing boundary between the US and Mexico not so much as a border, but as a cease-fire line," President Fox explained.

The Bush Administration disagrees, saying that US security needs require a presence in strategic parts of the Southwest and that some of the American settlements built during the 154 years of occupation should be incorporated into the United States. As it stands now, the Bush Administration is prepared to return all of California and Arizona, and major portions of New Mexico and Texas, but insists that Colorado, Utah and Nevada are "not open for discussion."

An overnight MSNBC/Rasmussen/Reuters/Fox News/ Wallstreet Journal/BSNN.net poll suggests that most Americans favor returning all or part of the Southwest to Mexico if it would end the illegal alien problem. And when asked whether they would be willing to live in a Mexican state, only 25% of Californians polled said no. 15% percent of Californians said they would not continue living in California if it were returned to Mexico, while 60% of Californians think they already are living in Mexico.

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TOPICS: Mexico
KEYWORDS: goodbye; southwest; usa
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OMG....There goes my lib brother's state of Arizona...
Woo Hoo! Time to move!

1 posted on 04/30/2002 2:41:57 PM PDT by KLT
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To: KLT
BSNN, come on your not takeing this serious are you.
2 posted on 04/30/2002 2:43:50 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: KLT
This would be really funny if there weren't dedicated commies in this country that thought this way.
3 posted on 04/30/2002 2:48:23 PM PDT by agitator
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To: Husker24
come on your not takeing this serious are you.

Why not ? It is American settlements, occupation, and aggression against the owners of the land that caused this genocide. They lived here for centuries and their land was stolen from them ...

4 posted on 04/30/2002 2:50:27 PM PDT by a_witness
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To: Hillary's Folly;Foghorn;Foghat;StarFan;hellinahandcart;Nitro;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;racebannon...
Hey Guys...What do you think of this idea? Ping and Bump
5 posted on 04/30/2002 2:50:55 PM PDT by KLT
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To: Husker24
Of course not Husker...it's humorous....You're so funny...
6 posted on 04/30/2002 2:51:32 PM PDT by KLT
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To: KLT
It's really only a matter of time before our politicians give our country away. This was set in motion decades ago, and the few people in Congress who want to stop it will fail. Look at how Bush treated Tancredo after he tried to stop Bush's amnesty.
7 posted on 04/30/2002 2:51:32 PM PDT by tenderstone jr.
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To: Husker24
Flascher, is da man. He was actually able to keep a straight face during this event.
8 posted on 04/30/2002 2:51:59 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: KLT
Parody? Bookmark, and check back in 20 years ....
9 posted on 04/30/2002 2:52:47 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: a_witness;dennisw;veronica;lent
Hard to argue with you a_witness seems, the US speaks with fork tongue when it comes to other countries...Am I wrong...
10 posted on 04/30/2002 2:53:00 PM PDT by KLT
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To: KLT
This was funny when I thought it was for real. It's not funny when it's supposed to be a joke. Hmmm . . .
11 posted on 04/30/2002 2:54:35 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: tenderstone jr.
It's really only a matter of time before our politicians give our country away. This was set in motion decades ago, and the few people in Congress who want to stop it will fail. Look at how Bush treated Tancredo after he tried to stop Bush's amnesty.

You're on the money tenderstone...while this is humor...in a few years it may not be so funny...They're working really hard to give away our country...

12 posted on 04/30/2002 2:54:58 PM PDT by KLT
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I have no problem with it. Map's wrong, though. Texas became an independent nation in 1836. Therefore, the US needs to withdraw, making California and Arizona part of Mexico, about half of New Mexico (other half belongs to Texas (Rio Grande is the border)). Works for me.
13 posted on 04/30/2002 2:55:07 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: firebrand
This was funny when I thought it was for real. It's not funny when it's supposed to be a joke. Hmmm . .

Amazing isn't it? That's the way I felt...

14 posted on 04/30/2002 2:55:46 PM PDT by KLT
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To: jayef
Ping.

Still think I'm over-reacting to the swarm of Mexicans...?

15 posted on 04/30/2002 2:57:24 PM PDT by Capitalist Eric
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To: Richard Kimball;foghorn;hillary's folly
I have no problem with it. Map's wrong, though. Texas became an independent nation in 1836. Therefore, the US needs to withdraw, making California and Arizona part of Mexico, about half of New Mexico (other half belongs to Texas (Rio Grande is the border)). Works for me.

Oh Richard, are you still lookin for the one armed man? If the map is wrong, we'll bring it to the attention of the proper parties...

16 posted on 04/30/2002 2:57:32 PM PDT by KLT
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To: KLT
Come on, this is from the Onion......right?
17 posted on 04/30/2002 2:57:37 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: KLT
Two chuckles in this. The first one is obvious - it ain't gonna' happen. The second one is less obvious - that's the Sea to Sea claims of the United Colonies! These were ultimately ceded to the United States government.

They were not exercised until our erstwhile ally Spain or its successor, our then ally Napoleonic France, dropped it's claims.

Mexico IS NOT SPAIN!

Spain never ceded its claims to what is now the American Southwest to Mexico. Absent Spain, the US claims prevail over those of Mexico - we could both enforce them and our claims to the territory were much older than those of Mexico.

If the USA is not willing to defend Georgia's former claim to a fair portion of North America, it might well be argued that it has foregone it's right to hold the territory and it should be returned to Georgia.

18 posted on 04/30/2002 2:58:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: a_witness
The people who had occupied the land for centuries before the Americans "took" it from them, got a huge benefit. They were given, practically for free and with no further expense to themselves, the opportunity to themselves become Americans. What a beautiful blessing simply handed to them, right out of the blue.

Of course, if it is not considered to be a good thing to be an American, this may not be all that good a deal.

19 posted on 04/30/2002 2:58:39 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: KLT
Wasn't there a photo posted on FR some months back, captioned "Vincente Fox, Presidente of Mexico! George Bush, Presidente of Mexico!", showing the two presidente's side by side?
20 posted on 04/30/2002 2:58:42 PM PDT by Jay W
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