Posted on 05/01/2002 6:31:25 AM PDT by NYer
SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) _ A Baptist minister charged with sexual abuse escaped dozens of deputies who surrounded his house only to be arrested early Wednesday at a local motel.
The Rev. David Gardiner was to be arraigned Wednesday in Salina Town Court on charges of sexual abuse and endangering the welfare of a child. Onondaga County Sheriff Kevin Walsh declined to provide details about the charges.
Gardiner, 42, is pastor of the Liverpool Baptist Church, a small congregation with about 50 members, said Greg Sigworth, the church's deacon.
Deputies went to Gardiner's home about 5 p.m. Tuesday to question him.
When deputies arrived, Gardiner, who was outside, ran into his home, which is connected to the church. He locked all the doors and refused to come out, Walsh said. ``We were going to talk to him about some crimes, and he ran into the house. Obviously, he didn't want to talk to us,'' Walsh said.
Walsh said Gardiner's 12-year-old son was inside the house but was napping and unaware of what was happening. When the boy awoke about 8:30 p.m., he came outside. Authorities finally stormed the house about 11 p.m. and discovered that Gardiner was gone.
A brief manhunt ended several hours later when Gardiner was found hiding out a Super 8 Motel in Liverpool, 6 miles northwest of Syracuse. ``We don't know exactly when he got out, but we believe it was before we surrounded the place,'' Walsh said.
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Maybe he ran because, as a Baptist, he couldn't count on having Cardinal Law behind him, covering his tracks.
No, a pedophile molests prepubescent children. Sexual abuse includes teens.
So9
Since forbidding to marry is explicitly identified in Scripture as a demonic doctrine (1 Timothy 4:1, 3), the better question is: If Baptists pleased demonic spirits by forbidding marriage, how many more sexual wrongs might occur?
There is in fact no church that forbids marriage.
No Bible-believing Christian church (which should be, but isn't, a tautology), that's true.
Dan
Paul is instructing Timothy about the Gnostics, Marcionites, Encratites, Manicheans and other ancient heretics who condemned all marriage and the use of all meat because they believed that all flesh was from an evil source. Marriage is a Sacrament and may be partaken by any who have not freely chosen to live a life of celibacy. Scripture calls for all unmarried Christians to live celibate lives. How convenient that you take Scripture out of context and leave out the explanation, but that's par for the course for you.
Thank you!
Here's the section:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.Did I quote inaccurately? How was it out of context? Where did you find "the explanation" that meant Paul didn't really mean what he said? How could Paul refer to Gnostics and others, when Gnosticism (etc.) is a second-century phenomenon? How is something that would not obtain for centuries the "context"? Why did this touch a nerve with you?
1 Timothy 4:1-5
Gnosticism finds its origins beginning in 539 BC following Cyrus' entrance to Babylon. Gnosticism predates the second century and the efforts of Valentinus and Ptolemaeus by a minimum of six centuries. That is how and why Paul warned Timothy about them and other ancient heretics. Gnostics, Marcionites, Encratites, Manicheans and other heretical groups were of the present, not the future.
Your thinly veiled attack on clerical celibacy is contradicted by Pauls' Epistle to Timothy; along with his Epistle to the Corinthians and the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, not supported by it. Both Christ and Paul lauded celibacy as the ideal and the Apostles gave up everything, including wives, to follow Christ. If you really knew the Bible, as you repeatedly claim, you'd know that. However, all of us who have witnessed your attacks on Catholicism, know that you don't.
Read Dr. Edwin Yamauchi. Gnosticism per se did not arise until after the first century. Your sophistry is the same as saying that Christian Science began in the 15th century BC because it borrows a word or two from the Bible.
What is telling is that the direct quotation of the Bible by a free child of God so enrages you.
The Bible knows nothing of Christian "priests." Pastors explicitly are to be "husbands of one wife" (1 Timothy 3:1f.).
The Bible says forbidding to marry is a demonic doctrine. I threw the rock. You yelped. It would be more profitable if you sought your own heart as to why.
I would point out, too, that the Lord Jesus' call to repent and believe extends to you, as well. You can know the freedom and joy of being a child of God by the grace of God alone, through faith alone, as instructed by the Bible alone. Nothing external prevents you.
Dan
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