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To: ThomasJefferson
The problem is far deeper than a simple majority of people voting for government intervention in health care.

When it comes to medicine, there are few Americans who are not radical equalitarians. If that rich guy over there can afford a triple by-pass or a heart transplant, I darn well should be able to afford one too is the thinking

The problem is there is no possible way, even if we had a free market, for everyone or even a large segment of the population to afford all the high tech care available. And that means people will demand more and more government intervention. You and I will be taxed so people who cannot pay for a half a million dollar operation get one.

This is where the Libertarian Party always fails. The LP dogma goes nowhere when a society's deeply held moral convictions, in this case equal access to medical care, are in opposition to it.

20 posted on 05/02/2002 11:21:13 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied
This is where the Libertarian Party always fails. The LP dogma goes nowhere when a society's deeply held moral convictions, in this case equal access to medical care, are in opposition to it.

Ah yes. The old "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy.

Can't beat the socialists? Become one!

21 posted on 05/02/2002 11:35:49 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: LarryLied
The LP dogma goes nowhere when a society's deeply held moral convictions, in this case equal access to medical care, are in opposition to it.

The "deeply held moral conviction" is that a nonproductive citizen's need constitutes a valid claim on a productive citizen's wealth. Far from being a moral conviction, the basis of that feeling is the ultimate expression of immorality.

I agree with you, though, that no amount of explanation is going to make the misedducated public understand just what an immoral concept they are embracing when they call for such free services.

22 posted on 05/02/2002 11:44:29 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: LarryLied
The problem is there is no possible way, even if we had a free market, for everyone or even a large segment of the population to afford all the high tech care available.

Beside that fact that that is a erroronous assumption,,, that has been different, when?

And that means people will demand more and more government intervention.

And if they demand it, you should give it to them?

You and I will be taxed so people who cannot pay for a half a million dollar operation get one.

Stealing from one person to give to the other person is still stealing. It doesn't matter who is doing it. Which also belies the fact that people can afford insurance if they aren't taxed so highly and if they want to forego other purchases in favor of health care. The private sector will always be able to provide health care (and any other good or service) more efficiently than government can with confiscated money.

This is where the Libertarian Party always fails.

What does the Libertarian Party have to do with this article?

The LP dogma goes nowhere when a society's deeply held moral convictions, in this case equal access to medical care, are in opposition to it.

As I pointed out, they are not "moral" convictions, rather they are immoral convictions. It isn't about equal access, it's about buying support from some people with money that belongs to other people. Why shouldn't all have equal acces to BMWs? Or mansions?

23 posted on 05/02/2002 11:58:13 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: LarryLied
You and I will be taxed so people who cannot pay for a half a million dollar operation get one.

This is wrong and it must change. Misfortune does not justify theft.

The LP dogma goes nowhere when a society's deeply held moral convictions, in this case equal access to medical care, are in opposition to it.

I submit that those who believe that ends justify means have a corrupt and perverted moral construct.

We just observed the 10th anniversary (if you want to call it that) of the LA riots. Thousands of people believed they were morally entitled to steal and vandalize for one reason or another -- injustice, poverty, misfortune, etc. None were justified. They were all criminals.

28 posted on 05/02/2002 2:48:39 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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