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Ohio schools get moment of silence [GOD'S BACK]
CINCINNATI ENQUIRER ^ | MAY 2 2002 | Enquirer News Update

Posted on 05/02/2002 6:37:12 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK

Ohio schools get moment of silence



        COLUMBUS, Ohio — Gov. Bob Taft signed a bill today that allows one minute daily for students to reflect, meditate or pray. The state is letting school districts decide whether to make the moment mandatory.

        At least a dozen states have debated whether to require a daily moment of silence in public schools in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and a U.S. Supreme Court decision last October against hearing a challenge to Virginia's law.

        “These bills were clearly something that was a popular first response to the crisis in our nation,” said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. “And, after Virginia, we expected we'd see a slew of them.”

        Before last fall, nine states already had laws that required a daily silent minute in schools. Many modeled their laws after Virginia's, which makes the moment mandatory and lists prayer as an option.

        The Supreme Court has outlawed mandatory school prayer, but courts have said states may require silent periods as long as students are not forced or encouraged to pray.

        Critics argue that such laws still threaten the Constitution's separation of religion and government.

        “When educators set aside a time for reflection, that's not just providing the opportunity, that's encouraging prayer,” said Raymond Vasvari, legal director of the Ohio branch of the American Civil Liberties Union.

        The sponsor of Ohio's bill said students became confused because they didn't know they were allowed to pray silently in school and weren't told they could do so, even though elected leaders prayed publicly after the terrorist attacks.

        “It's kind of sending a double standard message,” said Rep. Rex Damschroder, a Republican from Fremont. “Every student across the state should have had that time to think about what happened to us.”

        Teachers in Ohio and other states already are allowed to set aside silent periods. Some say states should put the permission into law, to ease teachers' fears of violating state and federal constitutions.

        Ohio lawmakers debated for seven months whether to include “pray” and require the silent period. Local-control advocates pushed for the decision to be made by school boards.

        Their counterparts in other states, including South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Indiana, New Mexico, California, Illinois, Louisiana, Virginia and Missouri, haggled over the same issues.

        In Oklahoma, Rep. Russ Roach, a Democrat from Tulsa, said lawmakers can't agree on the wording in his bill, including whether “religion” and “prayer” should appear.

        “I don't like mandating it,” Roach said. “Unfortunately, a lot of our gung-ho members want just that.”

        Supporters argue that schoolchildren can use the time to do anything they wish — including staring out the window — as long as they are quiet.

        “It's merely an opportunity for the individual to exercise his or her own freedom of conscience,” said Stephen M. Crampton, chief counsel for the American Family Association's Center for Law and Policy in Mississippi. “It's not about forcing predisposed views about religion down people's throats.”

        The National Education Association, the nation's largest teachers' union, does not oppose the silent periods as long as the federal government doesn't mandate them, it's a true minute and a teacher's role is passive.

        Karen Darner, an elementary schoolteacher and a Virginia House delegate, said many of her fellow teachers see the minute as just one more thing teachers must include in their already full days.

        “It's the longest 60 seconds of the day,” said Darner, a Democrat from Arlington. “But we do it because the law says we have to.”

        Katie Marco, a senior at Cuyahoga Falls High School in northeast Ohio, said she would welcome a daily minute where she could ask God to help her get through her day.

        “It's a nice idea, but I think kids wouldn't respect that time for everyone,” said Marco, 18, a Methodist who often says a silent prayer before exams.

        In Fremont, Sherry Sprouse's children — ages 14, 16 and 25 — attend the Church of Christ three times a week. Sprouse believes that they, as well as others who might not be as exposed to religion at home, would benefit from even one more minute each day to pray.

        “Kids would have time to reflect on how lucky we are and how many blessings we have on the Earth,” she said. “A lot of these kids do not know God at all. It's kind of a way to have some discipline back into their lives.”


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ITS ONLY A MINUTE BUT ITS A START !!!
1 posted on 05/02/2002 6:37:12 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Definitely a start . . . but God never left. He is always there. WE'RE the ones who leave, not Him.
2 posted on 05/02/2002 6:43:38 PM PDT by Isadora Duncan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
“It's the longest 60 seconds of the day,” said Darner, a Democrat from Arlington. “But we do it because the law says we have to.”

This is pitiful.

3 posted on 05/02/2002 6:45:57 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
“These bills were clearly something that was a popular first response to the crisis in our nation,” said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

Just who exactly besides Herr Lynn are members of "Americans United for the Separation of Church and State"?.

Those that aren't bona fide marxists, atheists, and satan worshippers are probably busy switching to the GOP.

4 posted on 05/02/2002 6:46:08 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: JeanS
I can see how that would seem like "an eternity" for an enemy of the cross....if you know what I mean.
5 posted on 05/02/2002 6:48:22 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Isadora Duncan
OH NOBODY knows that better than i
6 posted on 05/02/2002 6:50:17 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Many modeled their laws after Virginia's, which makes the moment mandatory and lists prayer as an option.

A bump for prayer, even if it is a silent minute.

The Supreme Court was wrong on this, because it is a matter of free speech not religion vs. state.

7 posted on 05/02/2002 6:50:58 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
This reminds of when Virginia did it.

Pravda on the Potomac (The Wash Post) did a piece basically praising the kids who were offended. To paraphrase one kid "I'm Jewish and this a "Christian moment of silence" so I find it offensive.

If my kid's grow up to be that idiotic, please shoot me.
8 posted on 05/02/2002 6:59:23 PM PDT by lizma
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To: Rome2000
satan worshippers

Should have the same rights to their prayers on government grounds as any other religion -- it is, after all, a freedom of speech issue, no?

9 posted on 05/02/2002 7:01:38 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
My cousin is a teacher in Columbus, Ohio. I will give her a call to chat about this.
10 posted on 05/02/2002 7:02:28 PM PDT by deadhead
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Karen Darner, an elementary schoolteacher and a Virginia House delegate, said many of her fellow teachers see the minute as just one more thing teachers must include in their already full days.

This must be a liberal newspaper. According to a poll in a Richmond, Virginia newspaper, the Moment of Silence has about 80% support among Virginians. The only comment the reporter could find was against the MOS, and from the most liberal member of the House of Delegates? Nothing "fair and balanced" there. During the General Assembly session, whenever I wanted to know what the most extreme wing of the Democratic party was up to, I checked on the bills Darner had introduced or co-sponsored. Stay the course, Ohio.

11 posted on 05/02/2002 7:03:11 PM PDT by Ligeia
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To: deadhead
We will be expecting a full report lol thanx
12 posted on 05/02/2002 7:03:44 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Salvation
it is a matter of free speech

I'm glad the religionists are rallying behind the concept of freedom of speech -- that means we can look for their support of freedom of speech next time some fanatic wants to abolish porn.

13 posted on 05/02/2002 7:05:24 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
A tad assumptive wouldn't you say to think that this time will be used to "pray" and even more assumptive to think that those prayers will be to G-d. Wishful thinking is pretty much a waste of time, but then again, we are talking about public schools. Maybe we should start legislating mandated instructional time during church services, couldn't hurt.

---max

14 posted on 05/02/2002 7:12:05 PM PDT by max61
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To: Salvation
This isn't an issue in private schools. Abolish public schools an this problem goes away. Or home school. Who cares what moronic things they do in the public schools anyway? People who subject their children to public schools deserve what they get.
15 posted on 05/02/2002 7:13:01 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: anniegetyourgun
A little paranoid, aren't you? You automatically assume that people who don't share your religious fervor are enemies. Very sad.
16 posted on 05/02/2002 7:15:46 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: max61
You know max, you are on to something. The school 'minute of silence' measure, if done all over the country has a real cost - I estimate about a half a billion dollars a year. (Assuming 50 million kids, one minute out of a 7 hour schoolday, and an annual cost of $3500 per kid per year to send kids to public schools) I'm sure the real cost is a whole lot more.....
17 posted on 05/02/2002 7:19:04 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
“When educators set aside a time for reflection, that's not just providing the opportunity, that's encouraging prayer,” bellowed Raymond Vasvari, legal director of the Ohio branch of the American Civil Liberties Union. "Prayer! We at the ACLU will never rest until all of America's children are godless wards of a socialist state," he added angily. Vasvari said that the issue would be a top priority of the ACLU along with securing the right of homeless people to openly view and download child pornography at elementary school libraries. "Our work here on behalf of the Democrat Party is never done."
18 posted on 05/02/2002 7:20:50 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Diverdogz
No, they aren't my enemies. They are enemies of the cross.
20 posted on 05/02/2002 7:25:46 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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