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An Evening with Bibi
Self | 5/4/02 | ohioWfan

Posted on 05/04/2002 3:10:52 PM PDT by ohioWfan

An Evening with Bibi

It was everything it promised to be, and more. We had approached the evening with great anticipation, and we were not disappointed.

Allow me to give you a little background on the event. It was the 18th Annual John M. Ashbrook Memorial Dinner with special guest, Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. John Ashbrook was a prominent conservative Congressman from Ohio’s 17th congressional district, who died in 1982. Following his death, it was decided by his family and friends that the best way to honor his memory would be to establish a university-based institute for the study of public affairs in his name. Ashland University was chosen because of its desire to integrate the plan of the Ashbrook Center into its academic program. John Ashbrook had dedicated his life to championing the politics of freedom, and the principles and practices of limited constitutional government, and the Center perpetuates those ideals by helping its students acquire the intellectual and moral virtues required for thoughtful citizenship, and thoughtful lives.

The Center was inaugurated on May 9, 1983 by President Ronald Reagan. Since then the list of distinguished speakers has included such luminaries as Vice President George Bush in 1984, Edward Meese, Caspar Weinberger, Bill Bennett, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Margaret Thatcher, Henry Kissinger, Charleton Heston and Clarence Thomas.

The dinner on Friday night featuring Prime Minister Netanyahu drew the second largest crowd since the program’s inception, the largest being for President Reagan, and there were over 500 people in attendance.

The evening began with two concurrent receptions at 6:00, on a general reception (for commoners such as we!) and one for VIPs. Actually had we been willing or able to pay the extra money for tickets, we could have attended the VIP reception as well. Mr. Netanyahu attended that reception, and there was an opportunity to be photographed with him there. Hors d’oeuvres and punch were served at the reception we attended.

Security was very tight, with police surrounding the building, and Secret Servicemen scattered throughout the building. Old-timers said the security was (understandably) even tighter than it had been when President Reagan spoke.

The dinner began promptly at 7:00, and the invocation was given by Governor Bob Taft. We were seated at round tables of 8, and were honored to be seated at the same table as Rep. Ashbrook’s sister and niece. Our table engaged in delightful conversations, including discussions of the ignominy and shame of the former occupant of the White House, in comparison with the honor of the present First Couple, and the outright silliness of the thought of a talk show that would involve narcissistic self-talk by a debauched ex-President host. The entrée was Beef Wellington, served with steamed vegetables and rice, iced tea and spinach salad. Before we ate, we were asked to fill out cards with questions for the Prime Minister, to be collected for the Q & A session after the speech, and having fielded many fine questions from my friends at FR, and having both come up with a few of our own, my husband and I submitted several questions.

The air literally bristled with excitement as Mr. Netanyahu was introduced, and the crowd stood and applauded as he came to the podium. He began with some light-hearted comments, including a joke about a Jew who was being fed to a very hungry lion by the Romans. You’ll have to trust me that it was funny! I don’t want to give away the punch line in case he uses it again.

He then said that he was going to do something unusual, and speak on the subject that he had planned to speak on! I will be giving partial quotes, but please keep in mind that these are not always verbatum because they are coming from my notes, and not a manuscript.

The subject was The Sources of Stability and Instability in the 21st Century, and to get to the root of the question, Netanyahu went back to the 18th century philosopher, Emmanuel Kant, and the pamphlet, Perpetual Peace, where Kant asks the question, ‘How do we get peace that will last?’ In it he posits that there are two kinds of peace, one involving democracies, where one needs do nothing, because the peace will take care of itself, and the other, involving dictatorships. In totalitarian governments there is nothing within those governments that will prevent conflict. The only way to keep peace involving dictatorships is with the combined power of democracies from without.

In the first half of the twentieth century, the philosophy of Kant was not practiced, and totalitarian regimes were permitted to rise up to power without being checked by democracies. In the second half of the twentieth century, the right kind of peace was achieved, because in the ‘Cold Peace’ democracies banded together in NATO to stand up against the Soviet Union, and keep the peace. Ironically, the Soviet Union was the biggest stopgap against the rise of militant Islam, and when it fell, the ensuing freedom allowed for the increase in terrorism.

Militant Islam, unfortunately is worse than Communism because it seeks to roll back the last millennium, to reverse the rise of Western Civilization by destroying the west, and the main engine of the West, the U.S.

In the past, the USSR, when forced to choose between ideology and survival, always chose survival. But with militant Islam, it is not clear what choice they would make, because they are a culture, a cult of death, as evidenced by the suicide bombers. It is the pathology of militant Islam that makes it so dangerous. If these regimes acquire weapons of mass destruction, does anyone doubt that they would use them? (At this point, Netanyahu assured the audience that it was highly unlikely that they would target Ashland, Ohio!)

So, the question is, what do you do about it? According to Kant, you should look for the source of aggression, and roll it back. The terrorists, themselves are not the problem. The only way to stop terrorism is to get to the carrier, deter it, and destroy it.

Netanyahu listed 6 main ‘carriers’……Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Arafatistan. He said that U.S. has done the right thing, and that President Bush had wisely targeted Iraq, and that he was precisely right to do so.

He went on to say that there is no way for Israel to negotiate with Arafat. He is unlike King Hussein of Jordan, and Anwar Sadat of Egypt, who denounced terrorist attacks in Arabic to their own people. When Arafat talks to his own people, he preaches policide, and he signs the checks for terror. He went on to ask, ‘What will be next if Arafat is removed?’ and answered that he did not know, but that whoever it was will not attack the U.S. If democracies dismantle the half dozen regimes that fund terrorism, the scaffolding of terrorism will fall. It is imperative to kill the roots of terrorism.

Netanyahu interestingly went on to say, that the philosophy of Kant is wrong for the 21st century, because there was no way that even a prophet like Kant could foresee a suicidal regime, especially one with nuclear weapons. The only solution is to destroy the regime, but we can’t leave it at that. We must also plant the seeds of democracy. As in the case of Nazi Germany, the regime was defeated and the seeds of democracy were planted. The natural process of debate and dissent keeps totalitarian regimes from resurfacing with any power. The same is true of Imperial Japan, where pluralism, a free press, and individual rights have ensured continuing freedom.

The Prime Minister then asked, are Islamic countries incapable of producing democracies, and pointed to Turkey, as a defense that it is indeed possible.

He then commended the ‘bold, courageous leadership’ of President Bush in leading the war on terrorism. He said that it has been suggested that the root cause of terrorism is the depravation of natural and human rights, and if we treat that, we will not have terrorism (He added that we had surely heard this……that we have to listen to CNN, and not Fox, some of the time!). But then he went on to ask why there had been no terrorism in the French resistance in World War II, or Poland, or with Mahatma Ghandi, or Martin Luther King, Jr. , and answered his own question by stating that these were democracies, and the people believe in the rights of man. It is the totalitarian mindset that is the root cause of terrorism, and they will use it against their enemies, or their own people, as in the cases of Lenin, Stalin, Hussein, Bin Laden and Arafat. The Islamic region is the last part of the world that has not experience the winds of democracy. If we leave them undemocratized, we are toying with the survival of civilization.

Netanyahu concluded with the statement that he had total confidence in America, and in the leadership of President Bush. He said that because the President possesses moral clarity, that he is up to the task, and that we will win.

What followed was a brief question and answer period. The first question was, ‘Where did the nickname Bibi come from’ and his answer was ‘I have no idea.’ Other questions involved Bush’s response to 9/11, and he commended the President’s moral clarity in calling the terrorists evil, and his strategic clarity, going after the regimes, disregarding the call to not bomb during Ramadan (he kidded that Bush was not ‘sophisticated’ enough to know not to do so!). He said that victory breeds victory.

With regard to President Bush’s Middle East efforts, he said “We’ll get it right,” and that this is just an “argument between friends,” but that negotiations will not work with Arafat. He brought up the fact that Arafat has great PR and has been able to reverse the facts of history. The PLO was established 3 years before the supposed Israeli aggression that caused it’s beginning.

The final question chosen was one that was written by my husband (and he was so excited!) It was “How would you rate President Bush’s performance thus far? And what advice would you give him?” His answer to the first question……..”A lot better than his predecessor!” (Well, of course!! ….the audience liked that answer!) His advice: it is critical to constantly persuade the American people of the justice of the cause. He must constantly fight the battle articulating the ends, and taking the moral high ground. Netanyahu said that Israel has not done well in this battle for public opinion, and that Arafat had succeeded in reversing the facts to support himself.

He concluded that President Bush’s role must be not just prosecuting the war, but continuing using the moral clarity that he has been doing so far. He voiced an appreciation for Rumsfeld, especially that he responded to the press when asked why we were bombing the Taliban by saying, ‘to kill them!’ He said that he respects President Bush ‘enormously,’ but when citing his most admired leaders, he said that it was Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher whom he held in highest regard, because they were responsible for the greatest bloodless victory in history.

We left the room absolutely impressed with the great speaking skills of Benjamin Netanyahu, but even more impressed with his ability to grasp the world situation, and to crystallize the details into a digestible, and comprehensible form. Other than his statement that it would not be a good idea to rebuild the temple (sorry, Bibi, it’s going to happen! God’s promised that!), we found that we agreed with him down the line. It was an incredibly timely opportunity to hear one of the most significant figures, and strongest advocates for democracy in the world, and it will be indelibly etched in our minds for the rest of our lives.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: middleeast; netanyahu; prayforbushlist; terrorism
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To: DallasMike
LOL! Yeah, I'm a little bit of a Bush supporter!

But I always add that the reason that I respect him, is that he has earned my respect. I knew very little about him before the Republican primaries, but the more I heard and the more I saw, the more impressed I became with the genuineness of this man. Your story about him is one more piece of evidence that he is who he says he is! Thanks!

101 posted on 05/05/2002 11:17:44 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: admiralsn; dennisw; Faith; lysander13135; tommix2; altura; kitkat; VictoriaDelsoul; brat...
Thank you all! I'm glad you enjoyed it. It was quite an evening!
102 posted on 05/05/2002 11:37:12 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: BeforeIsleep; petuniasevan; okimhere
You are all welcome. Thanks for reading it!
103 posted on 05/05/2002 11:39:10 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
Thanks so much for telling us about it. I really enjoyed your review.
104 posted on 05/05/2002 11:42:39 AM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: ohioWfan
Sure enjoyed it through your eyes, ohio! Excellent!
106 posted on 05/05/2002 12:44:18 PM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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To: ohioWfan
Thanks for a GREAT REPORT. I have so much respect for Bibi...it still disgusts me how Clinton and gang sabatoged his administration.

BTW, just read in the Dispach that its definate that GW will be the OSU commencement speaker...and he's here Friday too. Had I won last nights lottery you bet I would pay the high price ticket to see him....sigh....
107 posted on 05/05/2002 1:07:07 PM PDT by dutchess
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To: Molly Pitcher
Thanks, Molly! I've been waiting to see what you thought!
108 posted on 05/05/2002 1:09:43 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: dutchess
GW will be the OSU commencement speaker...and he's here Friday too

Life is just not fair, is it? LOL! I have a degree from OSU! Why was I not invited??

On top of it all, I'm not even going to be in the state on Friday! Bummerrrr!!!

109 posted on 05/05/2002 1:11:50 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: MoJo2001
Also, how is our beloved home state of Ohio?? I really miss the Midwest. Virginia is beautiful and lovely, but it's not the same as Ohio for me!

I just realized that I had never answered your question, MoJo!

Ohio is beautiful......at least today! The leaves are not completely filled in, but the fresh new green of an Ohio May is unsurpassed in beauty, IMO. We've had a very cold spring, but maybe the worst is over. Today is absolutely gorgeous!

110 posted on 05/05/2002 1:15:33 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: All
Correction.......I just read in yesterday's paper that there were more than 700 people there! Better yet!!

(I never was very good at estimation!)

111 posted on 05/05/2002 1:27:45 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: NordP; Wphile
Have you ever been a reporter???

Only if you count writing an article on the Dave Clark Five for my Jr. High newspaper, and a couple of articles for my college year book! LOL!

Thanks to both of you for such kind words! You both know how happy I was to hear about his strong support for President Bush! I was even happier to read our local newspaper article say that Netanyahu "praised President George W. Bush for his handling of the battle against terrorists.." Now I'm sure I wasn't hearing things! LOL!

112 posted on 05/05/2002 1:51:04 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
What a fantastic report on what seems to have been a grand evening!!!

Thank you for taking such good notes and writing up this wonderful report that makes us feel as if we were there. And congratulations to Mr. fan on getting his question asked!

113 posted on 05/05/2002 2:06:03 PM PDT by kayak
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To: kayak
I told you they were copious!!

I might have written more, but I had to look up some of the time!
(I kept writing off the page and on to my skirt when I looked up at Bibi!)

114 posted on 05/05/2002 2:17:21 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
Can we help with the dry cleaning bill ..... or buy you a new skirt ..... since you made that sacrifice for us? ... :-)

If I ever have the opportunity to attend a function such as that, I'll have to take a tape recorder ..... I would never be able to listen and write such good notes at the same time ..... I'm very impressed!

115 posted on 05/05/2002 2:23:07 PM PDT by kayak
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To: kayak
Actually, I thought about a tape recorder, but I figured it might not get past the security check. They went through my pockets and my purse!

I'll have to admit that it was funny seeing my dirty tissues and gum wrappers in that little plastic container! If I ever go to one of these again, I'll have to remember to empty my pockets at home!

btw, thanks for the dry cleaning offer, but we've got it covered! :o)

116 posted on 05/05/2002 2:40:39 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
Sorry I am here late. I am a little bit under the weather.

Thanks so much for this report. I am so sick of hhearing the Bush-bashers spout that President Bush doesn't support Israel! Obviously, he does, and Netenyahu says so.

Thanks again!

117 posted on 05/05/2002 2:48:01 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
I'm glad you got here, Miss Marple! And I hope you're feeling better soon, too.

It was abundantly clear that Netanyahu has a great deal of respect for the President. There wasn't even a hint of reservation about that.

He definitely doesn't think that Arafat can be negotiated with, but then, I don't think that President Bush does either. There are larger things afoot here, and from the sounds of Condi today, there may be some interesting things happening soon.

Thanks for reading this. I wish you and Mr. Marple could have been there with us!

118 posted on 05/05/2002 3:28:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: ohioWfan
What a wonderful Freep report! Thank you, ohioWfan.

Netanyahu listed 6 main ‘carriers’……Iran, Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Arafatistan.

Our fight against militant Islamic terrorism is more complex than any battle in history, because, like the other leftist groups, the terrorists do not respect national sovereignty....and, for the first time in history, serious nutcases working in concert have the means to wipe out millions. They train in over 60 countries and today's technology allows instant communication between cells...one leader can call for volunteers, another can provide arms and transportation, another financing. They are able to send their brainwashed minions anywhere on command, and are working diligently on all forms of weapons of mass-destruction.

Bush, Conde, Rumsfeld, etc., are working to stop the leaders around the world before MILLIONS are killed by one nut following orders. We will never abandon our support for Israel....and I know that every Arab nation has been told where we stand, and how we'd respond if they attacked Israel. Forget the press accounts...they're working to stir up trouble.

Ping for Israel, and the international efforts to stop widespread genocide of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamist nations.

119 posted on 05/05/2002 5:11:04 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: ohioWfan
THANK YOU for this. Superb reporting.
120 posted on 05/05/2002 5:12:31 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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