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U.S. to Renounce Its Role in Pact for World Tribunal
The New York Times ^ | 05/05/2002 | NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 05/04/2002 5:56:01 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, May 4 — The Bush administration has decided to renounce formally any involvement in a treaty setting up an international criminal court and is expected to declare that the signing of the document by the Clinton administration is no longer valid, government officials said today.

The "unsigning" of the treaty, which is expected to be announced on Monday, will be a decisive rejection by the Bush White House of the concept of a permanent tribunal designed to prosecute individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity and other war crimes.

The administration has long argued that the court has the potential to create havoc for the United States, exposing American soldiers and officials overseas to capricious and mischievous prosecutions.

"We think it was a mistake to have signed it," an administration official said. "We have said we will not submit it to the Senate for ratification." The renunciation, officials said, also means the United States will not recognize the court's jurisdiction and will not submit to any of its orders.

In addition, other officials said, the United States will simultaneously assert that it will not be bound by the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, a 1969 pact that outlines the obligations of nations to obey other international treaties.

Article 18 of the Vienna Convention requires signatory nations like the United States to refrain from taking steps to undermine treaties they sign, even if they do not ratify them. As with the treaty for the International Criminal Court, the United States signed but did not ratify the Vienna agreement.

A government official said the administration planned to make its decision known on Monday in a speech by Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman in Washington and in a briefing for foreign journalists by Pierre-Richard Prosper, the State Department's ambassador for war crimes issues. Representatives of human rights groups also said they expected the decision, which was first reported by Reuters news service on Friday, to be announced then.

The pointed repudiation of the International Criminal Court, while not unexpected, is certain to add to the friction between the United States and much of the world, notably Europe, where policy makers have grumbled ever more loudly about the Bush administration's inclination to steer away from multinational obligations.

Despite the strong stance by the United States, the International Criminal Court will begin operations next year in The Hague. More than the required number of 60 nations had signed the treaty as of last month, and the court's jurisdiction will cover crimes committed after July 1 of this year.

It will become the first new international judicial body since the International Court of Justice, or World Court, was created in 1945 to adjudicate disputes between states. Until now, individuals were tried in ad hoc or specially created tribunals for war crimes like those now in operation for offenses committed in Rwanda and the countries that formerly made up Yugoslavia, both modeled on the Nuremberg trials of Nazi officials following World War II.

Harold Hongju Koh, a Yale law professor and a former assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, said the retraction of the signature on the treaty would be a profound error.

"The result is that the administration is losing a major opportunity to shape the court so it could be useful to the United States," Mr. Koh said. "Now that the court exists, it's important to deal with it. If the administration leaves it unmanaged, it may create difficulties for us and nations like Israel."

He described the opportunity as similar to the United States Supreme Court's 1803 decision in Marbury v. Madison that courts could subject the other branches of government to its jurisdiction, decisively defining its role in the new nation.

"This is an international Marbury versus Madison moment," he said.

John R. Bolton, the under secretary of state for arms control, who has been a leading voice in opposing American participation in the International Criminal Court, wrote extensively about the subject before he took office, calling it "a product of fuzzy-minded romanticism" and "not just naïve, but dangerous."

Mr. Bolton, in an article in The National Interest in 1999, argued that the court would force the United States to forfeit some of its sovereignty and unique concept of due process to a foreign and possibly unrestrained prosecutor. He said that it was not just American soldiers who would be in the most jeopardy, but "the president, the cabinet officers who comprise the National Security Council, and other senior civilian and military leaders responsible for our defense and foreign policy."

Palitha Kohona, the chief of the treaty section for the United Nations, said it was unheard of for a nation that signed a treaty to withdraw that signature. David J. Scheffer, who was ambassador at large for war crimes and who signed the treaty for the Clinton administration, said that withdrawing the signature exceeded even the actions of the Reagan administration, which in 1987 decided it would not seek ratification of an amendment to the Geneva Conventions that the Carter administration had signed. The action concerned a document known as Protocol 1, which would have extended protections to soldiers of insurgent movements.

"There has never been an attempt to literally remove the document," he said.

Mr. Scheffer said the Bush administration's actions would not only undermine international justice but also damage American interests.

"The perception will be that the United States walked away from international justice and forfeited its leadership role," he said. "It will be a dramatic moment in international legal history."

One official said the Bush White House was prepared to say last September that it would withdraw the signature on the treaty, but the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that month delayed an announcement. Officials were not only occupied with the sudden fight against terrorism but also thought that renouncing the treaty would appear unseemly, the official said.

Most democratic nations and all European Union countries have ratified the treaty — except Greece, which is in the process of doing so — along with Canada, New Zealand and a number of African, Eastern European and Central Asian countries. Israel has signed it but not ratified. Egypt, Iran and Syria have signed. India, Pakistan and China have neither signed nor ratified. Russia has signed but not ratified.


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1 posted on 05/04/2002 5:56:01 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
international justice

Oxymoron


3 posted on 05/04/2002 6:02:03 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: Pokey78
I'm sure there wil be NYT editorial on this in the morning. Russert, et al., will be thoroughly scandalized, as well as Jennings, Blather, Brokaw, yada, yada, yada.
4 posted on 05/04/2002 6:03:24 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Pokey78;UN_List
Nominally, the ICC is "separate" from the UN, sort of like its bastard child; but I am indexing it for the UN_List anyhow.

UN_List: for United Nations articles. 

Other Bump Lists at: Free Republic Bump List Register

Don't forget:


5 posted on 05/04/2002 6:04:59 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: Pokey78
What can I say? What can I say? Oh...wait a minute, I've got it.

YEA! YEA! YEA!

Why should we give up our precious rights to a fair trial under our Consitution just because those Euroninnies want us to?

6 posted on 05/04/2002 6:06:26 PM PDT by kitkat
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To: Pokey78
Howdy International Criminal Court, and welcome to History's graveyard. We've got a nice plot for you right next to the League of Nations. Enjoy your stay!
7 posted on 05/04/2002 6:07:52 PM PDT by American Soldier
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To: Pokey78
This is great news. It helps keep the US free and independent. It also prevents a collection of 3rd world socialist dictators from taxing and controlling us.
8 posted on 05/04/2002 6:10:20 PM PDT by MarkM
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To: Pokey78
President Bush once again proves that there is a difference between him and Algore. Any supra-national system above the sovereign powers of the US is un-Constitutional. And, our liberties (as of 2002) are still much better than any other UN member.

America can only lose by letting America-haters judge Americans.

Brave, President Bush for this stand.


9 posted on 05/04/2002 6:10:53 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: kitkat
This is the beginning of ending the parasitic drain on American Freedoms. We must continue to end the "death by a thousand cuts" efforts of the EUros, and the other Commie loving nations.
10 posted on 05/04/2002 6:16:54 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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To: Pokey78
If you confer with a GOOD lawyer who UNDERSTANDS the Constitution, you'll find out the Marbury v. Madison decision is NOT what it is portrayed to be. Any law that is in violation of the Constitution is "null and void" without the force of law.
11 posted on 05/04/2002 6:19:52 PM PDT by Goldi-Lox
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fyi
12 posted on 05/04/2002 6:20:31 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: Pokey78
What will the United States government do when the first American citizen is captured, convicted, and jailed by the ICC. Will it go to war or send an armed force to extract him?
13 posted on 05/04/2002 6:22:26 PM PDT by jadimov
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To: Pokey78, AmriGandu
Palitha Kohona, the chief of the treaty section for the United Nations, said it was unheard of for a nation that signed a treaty to withdraw that signature.

Hey! Palitha!

LISTEN UP.

14 posted on 05/04/2002 6:27:02 PM PDT by dodger
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To: Pokey78
Good news. Bush is very wise to renounce this treaty now, and not wait until the court tries to bring an American citizen into the dock, when it would have looked like special pleading if we backed out.

The Constitution clearly states that treaties are not binding in U.S. law unless they are properly ratified. Moreover, with proper notice to the other parties, even ratified treaties can be abrogated if the U.S. determines that they are contrary to our national interest. Such is the case with the ABM treaty.

15 posted on 05/04/2002 6:29:32 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: jadimov
What will the United States government do when the first American citizen is captured, convicted, and jailed by the ICC. Will it go to war or send an armed force to extract him?

I somehow don't think the world is ready to find out, at least until the next "Clinton" is elected president.

16 posted on 05/04/2002 6:38:40 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Pokey78
President Bush is no NWO globalist, despite all the contrary posts you see here on FR. But he does believe free world trade, which some people get confused thinking he supports a U.N. type world government. This guy is not going to give up U.S. sovereignty.
17 posted on 05/04/2002 6:40:36 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Pokey78
This makes the Kangaroo court's wet dream of indicting Sharon on war crimes a bit dicey. LOL
18 posted on 05/04/2002 6:41:07 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: American Soldier
"Howdy International Criminal Court, and welcome to History's graveyard. We've got a nice plot for you right next to the League of Nations. Enjoy your stay!"

Now let's add the UN to that graveyard, making the world a much better place.

19 posted on 05/04/2002 6:51:48 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: AmriGandu
I hope that if they renounce it they will still let the internation tribunal indict, convict, imprison/or execute clintoon for his crimes against humanity.
20 posted on 05/04/2002 7:19:12 PM PDT by stumpy
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