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Sun Tzu - The Art of War
Personal archives | 05-04-02 | PsyOp

Posted on 05/04/2002 10:10:07 PM PDT by PsyOp

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To: Cacique
"You may have what you can take. You may keep what you can hold"

Yes, and you can sum up all of Sun Tzu as: "Never pick a fair fight."

41 posted on 05/05/2002 10:07:41 AM PDT by Ramius
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To: sleavelessinseattle
"Art of War" can downloaded from the internet from many places.

http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/taoism/suntext.htm

42 posted on 05/05/2002 10:08:40 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: dennisw;2Trievers
For a eureka moment...Go to Barnes and Noble and ask them what topic Art of War falls under...Its in like six different subject areas!LOL Self Help, Management Theory, Philosophy...It goes on and on...I got it for a lad I was mentoring for his 16th birthday...He started slavering in the STORE! HOOAH!!!
43 posted on 05/05/2002 10:34:34 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: sleavelessinseattle
"If you're going to shoot somebody, shoot, don't talk." Tuco in The Good the Bad and the Ugly
44 posted on 05/05/2002 1:10:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Eli Wallach...A ladykiller and sophisicate in real life...you're a pip, CW!!!
45 posted on 05/05/2002 1:43:58 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: sleavelessinseattle
sophisicate=sophisticate...Just Cause I can use it in a sentence don't make me one...Ugh!
46 posted on 05/05/2002 1:45:33 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: Squantos
Bad translation.
47 posted on 05/05/2002 5:43:01 PM PDT by patton
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To: sleavelessinseattle;dennisw;McGavin999;Squantos;Lazamataz
Sun Tzu, way too intellectual for me, I'll go read a book.

The rifle squad of the Marine Corps is the result of many years of development and combat experience...
The purpose of offensive combat is to destroy the enemy and his will to fight. Offensive action is the only means by which a decision is gained in combat. It requires superiority over the enemy, but superiority in numbers or fire alone is not necessarily the deciding factor. In the final analysis, superiority is achieved by a combination of higher morale, greater aggressiveness, a higher quality of leadership, better training and better equipment.

Guidebook for Marines
Squad Tactics, pg 167
Eleventh Edition, July 1, 1967

That works.

48 posted on 05/05/2002 6:05:46 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
High quality of SNEAKY leadership, and You've got Sun Tzu! I have the marine sniper manual in the sleaveless stacks...How to turn a man into a weapon...Cliff's notes speed!
49 posted on 05/05/2002 7:12:53 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: sleavelessinseattle
"Crush the enemy." Let's hope Dubyah has done a little reading of Sun Tzu. Mao Tse-tung certainly did! &;-)
50 posted on 05/05/2002 7:51:50 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: martin_fierro
I especially like the "cracked head".

So do I. Pretty much says it all about psyops and psyoperators. Thanks.

51 posted on 05/05/2002 10:21:14 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Cacique
let's not forget Julius Caesar's maxim

Yep. Glory and patriotism will only take an army so far. Even in modern times. We ought to forward that quote to Congress.

52 posted on 05/05/2002 10:27:43 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Cacique
Unfortunately military and political genius proved not to be heredetary...

It never does. Those recessive genes will do you in every time.

53 posted on 05/05/2002 10:29:33 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: sleavelessinseattle
Con Fu Tse

I have to admit you stumped me there. I'm not familiar with the name.

54 posted on 05/05/2002 10:36:46 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Good the Bad and the Ugly

Only the greatest movie of all time - not to mention the greatest movie theme music of all time!

55 posted on 05/05/2002 10:42:34 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Ramius
Yes, and you can sum up all of Sun Tzu as: "Never pick a fair fight."

There's only one proper definition of a fair fight - the kind you win. Especially when losing means dying.

56 posted on 05/05/2002 10:49:39 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: SJackson
That works.

Sounds like a pretty good summary of Sun Tzu and a few others to me. You really think that everything in the marine guidebook was first time those ideas appeared in print? that guidebook and those used by the other armed services are but the distillation of 2,000 + years of military thought and practical application.

I geuss I'll toss out my library now that I know every worth knowing is in the Marine Guide Book. ;-]

57 posted on 05/05/2002 10:57:04 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: McGavin999
I think our president has a well worn copy of Sun Tzu.

That's probably a safe bet. And perhaps a copy of Vom Krieg by Clausewitz.

58 posted on 05/05/2002 11:03:16 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: PsyOp
Bumping for a more complete list and a better translation than the one I currently have.
59 posted on 05/06/2002 3:48:16 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: Lazamataz
Poohbah's Art of War

Timeliness

Do unto others as they would do unto you, but do it first.

It is far better to do something lethal to the enemy right now than to spend two days preparing the "perfect" battle plan.

The most useless quantity on the battlefied: five second ago.


Battlefield Chaos

No battle plan ever survives contact with the young lieutenant trying to execute it.

No brigade battle plan ever survives contact with division heardquarters, unless it is comes with a really spiffy set of PowerPoint slides, whereupon the Division G-3 puts his name on the slides and sends it to Corps.


Information

I don't care what the Politburo in Beijing is discussing, I want to know what's on the other side of this hill.

Getting your story out the way you want it to go out is important. Remember this when the presstitute is getting on your nerves. Slitting his throat is only a momentary pleasure, and it's bound to get you talked about in less-than-flattering terms.


Victory

Sometimes, victory in war is neat and clear-cut. If any such victory comes your way, please FReepmail me, as it would be the first since the Japanese signed their names on the Missouri's main deck.

60 posted on 05/06/2002 4:43:47 AM PDT by Poohbah
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