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Justice Dept. Reverses Policy on Meaning of Second Amendment
The New York Times ^ | 5/7/02 | Linda Greenhouse

Posted on 05/07/2002 12:09:03 PM PDT by GeneD

ASHINGTON, May 7 — The Justice Department, reversing decades of official government policy on the meaning of the Second Amendment, told the Supreme Court for the first time late Monday that the Constitution "broadly protects the rights of individuals" to own firearms.

The position, expressed in a footnote in each of two briefs filed by Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, incorporated the view that Attorney General John Ashcroft expressed a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association. Mr. Ashcroft said that in contrast to the view that the amendment protected only a collective right of the states to organize and maintain militias, he "unequivocally" believed that "the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms."

It was not clear at the time whether the letter to the rifle association's chief lobbyist simply expressed Mr. Ashcroft's long-held personal opinion, or whether it marked a departure in government policy. The Supreme Court's view has been that the the Second Amendment protected only those rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well regulated militia," as the court put it in United States v. Miller, a 1939 decision that remains the court's latest word on the subject.

But it has been evident since last fall that Mr. Ashcroft was in fact setting new government policy. In October, the federal appeals court in New Orleans, saying it did not find the Miller decision persuasive, declared that "the Second Amendment does protect individual rights," rights that nonetheless could be subject to "limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions." Mr. Ashcroft quickly sent a letter to all federal prosecutors' offices, calling their attention to the decision in United States v. Emerson and informing them that "in my view, the Emerson opinion, and the balance it strikes, generally reflect the correct understanding of the Second Amendment."

He told the prosecutors to inform the department's criminal division of any case that raised a Second Amendment question so the department could "coordinate all briefing in those cases" and enforce federal law "in a manner that heeds the commands of the Constitution."

In the briefs it filed at the Supreme Court after the close of business on Monday, the Solicitor General's office attached the Ashcroft letter and included the following footnote to explain its new position:

"In its brief to the court of appeals, the government argued that the Second Amendment protects only such acts of firearm possession as are reasonably related to the preservation or efficiency of the militia. The current position of the United States, however, is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

While announcing the government's new position, the briefs do not ask the court to respond by taking any action itself. In both cases, defendants charged with gun offenses raised Second Amendment defenses and appealed to the Supreme Court. One is the Emerson case, now called Emerson v. United States, No. 01-8780, an appeal by a doctor who was charged with violating a federal law that makes it a crime for someone to own a gun while under a domestic violence restraining order. The other is Haney v. United States, No. 01-8272, an appeal by a man convicted of owning two machine guns in violation of federal law.

Solicitor General Olson urged the Supreme Court to turn down both appeals. He said that even accepting an individual right to bear arms, the application of the laws at issue in both cases reflected the kind of narrowly tailored restrictions by which that right could reasonably be limited. Consequently, there was no warrant for the court to take either case, the briefs said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; johnashcroft; justicedepartment; secondamendment; theodorebolson
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1 posted on 05/07/2002 12:09:03 PM PDT by GeneD
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To: GeneD
What a coincidence. A journalist with the name Greenhouse working for the New York Times. Certainly not an indicator of any liberal bias, no?
2 posted on 05/07/2002 12:12:14 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: GeneD
It's about time someonw understands what "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," means. And just think, the DumbocRATS didn't want this guy because of his "extreme" view of the 2nd Amendment. Way to go Bush, Ashcroft, and Co. Hooah!!!
3 posted on 05/07/2002 12:13:33 PM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas
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To: bang_list
The current position of the United States, however, is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals ... to possess and bear their own firearms, subject to reasonable restrictions designed to ... restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse.

How often are machine guns used in crimes? Essentially never. Who does use them regularly? Jackbooted thugs kicking down the doors of citizens at 3 AM. If they are particularly suited for criminal use, why do the police have them?

4 posted on 05/07/2002 12:15:54 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: GeneD
WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

Take that, liberal gun-grabbing scum!!!

5 posted on 05/07/2002 12:16:07 PM PDT by 11B3
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To: *bang_list; victoria delsoul; travis mcgee; squantos; harpseal; sit-rep; noumenon; DCBryan1...
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6 posted on 05/07/2002 12:17:44 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: GeneD
How does this compute, in the Bush is a liberal camp?
8 posted on 05/07/2002 12:19:45 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: GeneD
When GWB is signing the gigantic porkfest known as the Farm Bill, or when reflecting on his signing of the Kennedy Education plan, or the Turn the 1st Amendment Upside Down Act (aka Campaign Finance Reform), and election time comes around, and the libertarians and Constitution Party loyalists, and the pitchforkers, and everyone else is saying there is no difference between the parties, I will try to remember not so small matters like this one, so that as distasteful as popular GOP leadership can be (after all, if it weren't distasteful, it wouldn't be popular), it is better than having a Democrat in office, and those ARE still the only two viable choices.
9 posted on 05/07/2002 12:19:50 PM PDT by Huck
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To: GeneD
I thought there was no difference between Bush and Clinton. First, Bush 'unsigns' the UN treaty on the world court, secondly Bush's Justice Department is making pro-Second Amendment arguments before the Supreme Court.

Wassup with that?

10 posted on 05/07/2002 12:20:10 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
How does this compute, in the Bush is a liberal camp?

You can see my take on that on post #9

11 posted on 05/07/2002 12:20:54 PM PDT by Huck
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To: GeneD
From the article: "He said that even accepting an individual right to bear arms, the application of the laws at issue in both cases reflected the kind of narrowly tailored restrictions by which that right could reasonably be limited. Consequently, there was no warrant for the court to take either case, the briefs said."

This won't work. The machine gun is clearly of a type which is useful to a militia. Suggesting that one may disarm the militia because criminals might find firearms useful is ridiculous and certainly not a narrow limitation, given that virtually every soldier is trained and equipped with such a firearm.

Furthermore, the limitations on machineguns are written as tax laws granting the government the power to refuse to accept the tax. That is ridiculous treatment of a Constitutional right. There are some interesting decisions ahead.

12 posted on 05/07/2002 12:21:13 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Huck
So you'd rather eat a bug than a worm.

Me, too! ;^)

13 posted on 05/07/2002 12:22:47 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: GeneD
Solicitor General Olson urged the Supreme Court to turn down both appeals. He said that even accepting an individual right to bear arms, the application of the laws at issue in both cases reflected the kind of narrowly tailored restrictions by which that right could reasonably be limited.

So, the Justice Department's position is that the 2nd ammendment means what it says until they don't want it to.

The thing the antis miss with their hang up on "militia" is that even if that is a collective expression, it explicitly 1) recognizes an individual RIGHT and 2) forbids its infringement. That is, the individual right is the implementation of the collective state right.

Of course, states don't have rights, only powers. The 2nd recognizes the power of the states to have a militia by acknowledging the right of the people of the states to keep and bear arms.

14 posted on 05/07/2002 12:23:36 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: GeneD
OOORRAHHH!

This is outstanding news! Way to go for the Attorney General!

Semper Fi!

15 posted on 05/07/2002 12:23:43 PM PDT by dd5339
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
How does this compute, in the Bush is a liberal camp?

Did you hear all those popping sounds? Each was the sound of a mental clutch missing a paradigm shift.

16 posted on 05/07/2002 12:24:06 PM PDT by Poohbah
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To: William Tell
You don't expect them to actually interpret the Constitution correctly do you? Close to correct is better than nothing at all.
17 posted on 05/07/2002 12:24:55 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: GeneD
What does the NRA say? Enforce existing laws? They're virtually ALL unconstitutional.
18 posted on 05/07/2002 12:25:29 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: GeneD
Bump for later reading.How can they do this no matter what it is?
19 posted on 05/07/2002 12:25:31 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
11th Earl of Mar said: "I thought there was no difference between Bush and Clinton. First, Bush 'unsigns' the UN treaty on the world court, secondly Bush's Justice Department is making pro-Second Amendment arguments before the Supreme Court. "

Interesting. Perhaps the "compassion" evidenced in some recent legislation is a distraction intended for those easily distracted by shiny objects. Once some of the pillars of the Constitution are repaired, the time may come when the limits of the "commerce clause" can be examined. We may soon hear Ashcroft and others explaining that much of what the federal government is doing is unConstitutional and a conservative Supreme Court might agree.

20 posted on 05/07/2002 12:25:53 PM PDT by William Tell
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