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Who Is Backing McCain/Lieberman Gun Control
Self | 5/7/02 | Tom Buchanan

Posted on 05/07/2002 4:26:30 PM PDT by fivetoes

The McCain/Lieberman connection that they probably don't want America to know about! Investigate for yourself and see who is pulling their strings. I wonder who else's strings are being pulled by these 'progressive' organizations.

www.tsunamifund.org

Tsunami Fund

Tsunami Fund is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit organization that enables progressive donors and activists to impact the legislative arena by providing the organizational infrastructure, strategic management services, and a legal and fiscal home to those advocating for social change.

By facilitating quick mobilization and efficient management, Tsunami Fund empowers its clients to run successful ballot initiative campaigns and legislative endeavors. Tsunami partners with:

Donors and funding collaboratives interested in supporting progressive legislative change;

Activists wanting to launch or support lobbying efforts at the local, state, or federal level;

501(c)(3) organizations seeking to maximize their legislative impact through partnership with a 501(c)(4) organization; and

Foundations looking to offer new avenues of creative philanthropy to their donor base.


www.tidescenter.org

Tides Foundation

Since 1976, Tides Foundation has worked with donors committed to positive social change. We put resources and people together--strengthening community-based nonprofit organizations and the progressive movement through innovative grantmaking.

We define "progressive" as creating a positive impact on people's lives in ways that honor and promote human rights, justice, and a healthy, sustainable environment

VIOLENCE PREVENTION

Tides supports organizations that promote gun safety and rational gun policies, and that work for death penalty reform with the ultimate goal of abolition.

Americans for Gun Safety Arlington, VA Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) seeks to save American lives by demanding and achieving common sense gun responsibility and safety. AGS activities include a national advertising campaign to educate Americans about gun safety and public education and advocacy efforts that highlight the need for reform in gun legislation and policy.

Educational Fund to End Handgun Violence Washington, DC The Educational Fund to End Handgun Violence is a coalition of more than forty religious, professional, labor, medical, educational, and civic organizations that seeks to ban handguns and assault weapons from importation, manufacture, sale, and transfer by the general American public.

Michigan Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence Lansing, MI The Michigan Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence addresses the growing national and state concern about the prevalence and scope of gun violence. This collaboration brings together the professional communities of law, medicine, and public health in a concerted inter-professional effort to plan and implement public policies aimed at preventing gun violence.


ww2.americansforgunsafety.com

Americans For Gun Safety Launches Million-Dollar Campaign Backing Senators McCain and Lieberman's Bill to Close Gun Show Loophole and Crack Down on Gun Crime

Top Police Group Endorses; Poll Shows Overwhelming Support For Bill

Washington?Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) today announced it will spend at least one million dollars on an advertising and organizing campaign to support new bi-partisan legislation sponsored by Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Joe Lieberman (D-CT) that requires criminal background checks at gun shows and beefs up both the state and federal crackdown on violent criminals. The National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO) endorsed the bill today.


What does the bill really say?

From www.gunlaws.com

Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."

by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate.

The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far. The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does.

I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;
2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;
3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me

to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;
4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering;
5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;
6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;
7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;
8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;
9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;
10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;
11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));
12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;
13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;
14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and
-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;
-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;
-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;
-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);
-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;
-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;
-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and
-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;
15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and
16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).
Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.
To sum up: Perfectly legal gun sales -- with no victims or criminal activity of any kind -- are outlawed at gun shows by the McCain-Lieberman bill, unless the sale is pre-registered with the federal government; real crimes are totally unaffected; and your friends in the federal government take over full control of gun shows -- which have been previously free of government infringement for more than 200 years.
Please write your local news outlet and politely request a correction.
Permission to circulate or use any or all of this report is granted, provided my credit and contact information is included.
Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
Bloomfield Press, 4718 E. Cactus #440 ? Phoenix, AZ 85032 ? 602-996-4020 ? alan@gunlaws.com ? http://www.gunlaws.com ? "We publish the gun laws."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: andrewmckelvey; banglist; guncontrol; lieberman; mccain; tidesfoundation; tsunami
My wife has been hearing ads on KOA radio in Denver featuring these two con-artists who want to make us jump through yet more hoops.

Perhaps someone with better investigative skills than I can find more information on the Tsunami Fund, Tides Foundation, Americans For Gun Safety and post the information here. I find it amusing that Tsunami and Tides use the same graphic and type style on their web pages.

Is it just me or does the name Tsunami not sound very American? And what is the McCain/Lieberman connection to these obvious socialists organizations?

So many questions, so little time!

1 posted on 05/07/2002 4:26:31 PM PDT by fivetoes
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2 posted on 05/07/2002 4:34:55 PM PDT by the
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To: bang_list
bang
3 posted on 05/07/2002 4:37:21 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: fivetoes
Good work!
4 posted on 05/07/2002 4:38:46 PM PDT by Howie
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To: dax zenos
If this goes through nation wide it would be a disaster for the industry.

Which is exactly the point.

I'd like to know just what exactly the VC did to McCain when they had him in captivity as a POW. It must have been really, really bad. Really, really, really bad.

6 posted on 05/07/2002 4:50:08 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: fivetoes
I don't know anything about these orginazations but I have a question. Did anyone see McCain on TV the other night? What is going on with his nose? It looks like it is growing wider. Cancer? Anyone hear anything? He looks bad.
8 posted on 05/07/2002 5:03:42 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: fivetoes
This is incredible!

Of course, enough Republicans will roll over to pass this abomination and Bush will sign it - not wanting to create waves before the election. Can't have any bickering, you know! That might upset the clueless voters.

McInsane needs to be booted out of the Senate. One expects such tyranny out of the Demoncrats nowadays, so Liebermann is merely in character.

Please pass the strawberries!

9 posted on 05/07/2002 5:54:11 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: fivetoes
Join the Gun Show Protection Union, www.gspu.org
10 posted on 05/07/2002 6:29:06 PM PDT by Gun Show Protection Union
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To: coloradan
Join the Gun Show Protection Union, www.gspu.org
11 posted on 05/07/2002 6:31:08 PM PDT by Gun Show Protection Union
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To: Gun Show Protection Union
We here in Colorado had Amendment 22 shoved down our throats last year. It was to close the gun show loophole. It sucks!
12 posted on 05/07/2002 8:14:07 PM PDT by fivetoes
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To: fivetoes
Almost all the funds for "Americans for Gun Safety" - a "group" with no members beyond leaders - come from Monster.com billionaire Andrew McKelvey.

Scandals of antigun activists - including Andrew McKelvey

13 posted on 05/07/2002 8:19:40 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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-www.gspu.org--
15 posted on 05/08/2002 4:08:34 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: D Joyce
Gun Owners Group Takes Aim at Lott (Treason On 2ndAmd, Gungrab Sununu Vs Patriot GunChampion Smith)

LAURA BUSH:
"During her San Diego speech, for instance, she said nothing about the school shooting that occurred 20 miles away in El Cajon the day before, although in a television interview she condemned it, adding that she thinks more gun control laws are needed.

"I think that's very important," she said when asked by CNN whether stronger gun laws are needed."
Source

Mandatory Gun Show Background Check Act

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The United Nations Gun Sculpture:


16 posted on 05/08/2002 4:10:48 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: fivetoes
We here in Colorado had Amendment 22 shoved down our throats last year.

McCain was all over that, too. He is a scumbag.

18 posted on 05/08/2002 7:13:09 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: MileHi
bump
19 posted on 05/08/2002 6:30:01 PM PDT by fivetoes
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