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Posted on 05/07/2002 5:51:00 PM PDT by Khepera

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To: altair
Looks like Bubba Clinton isn't the only one who molests and assaults and rapes???? One friend of mine does blame a lot of the sexual promiscuity on Clinton's reign in the WH. She said that we all had sex on the mind for those 8 years. Gave us all dirty ideas. But I think the priests' problems predate Clinton. It is great to have adults in the WH now!!!!
21 posted on 05/07/2002 7:26:58 PM PDT by buffyt
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To: buffyt
I said see #13. Here. Let me repeat it for you.

Duh. I should look at the red arrow. I thought it was the out of shape middle aged guys.

Le'ssee... no shirt, rainbow beads, tight pants, big ol' clunky motorcycle boots, and a hand on the other guy's tush. Yup, does look like he's making out rather, ahem, gaily.

22 posted on 05/07/2002 7:39:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: buffyt
gaily = "gay" (as in homosexual, fag, queer) + "ly"
23 posted on 05/07/2002 7:41:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
He did it because he COULD! This "shepard" to his flock has been enabled, by an organizational ethic that authorizes such behavior.

You've got the wonder whether his parishoners can appreciate where his hands have been when they are taking the Body...

24 posted on 05/07/2002 8:57:02 PM PDT by jonascord
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To: Khepera
Ironic. The Church coverup of genuine buggery could be huge, and this guy gets hammered over appearing shirtless in a Mardi Gras parade. I'm not saying that the parade shot ISN'T scandalous, but you gotta wonder about priorities here!
25 posted on 05/09/2002 3:43:59 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Khepera
Yah, yah, a scandal, a scandal...
26 posted on 05/09/2002 3:50:33 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Khepera
You know he could have been trying to bring new Catholics into the fold. That's it he is whitnessing to those sinners and patting their tush to make them feel comforted. Man why didn't I see this before? I just know popo patting is in part a technique to entice others to the Lord. He's a fisher of men! Dang I see it now!

Seems to me he's acting more like a "knower" of men.

27 posted on 05/09/2002 3:53:59 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Khepera
I have been thinking about this a lot, and I happen to disagree with some Catholics on this forum who try and downplay the true atrocity of homosexual infiltration into the priesthood. I will say also that it isn't just the Catholic church who has been infiltrated by the homosexuals, but the Episcopals and the Presbyterians as well, although theirs is a scandal of whether to accept the lifestyle as legitimate within those particular churches.

I find the unnatural "peaceful coexistance" between vice and that which is virtuous and holy, tragic. The existance of homosexuality in the institution that is the very soul of purity and chastity is deplorable beyond words. Equally deplorable is that this "peaceful coexistance" has lasted for decades due to the unpardonable connivance of shepards who should have been ready to lay down their lives if necessary to gain access to the fold.

The Catechism of St. Pius X calls homosexuality a sin that "cries out to heaven for vengeance," and the Cathechism of the Catholic Church promulgated by our current Pope says that "Basing itself on sacred scripture, which presents homosexual acts as a grave depravity, tradition has always declared that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."

It should not be considered an ordinary vice because it surpasses most in enormity with few exceptions.

The truth is that the vast majority of the exposed scandals are cases of pedophiliac homosexuality, and thus a particularly heinous spillover of the more widespread problem. However, the media is using this as an excuse to go after the church because of the doctrine and morals upheld by most of the 1 billion members worldwide.

28 posted on 05/16/2002 7:21:42 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: khepera; the giant apricots; eodguy
Decades ago, Pope Paul VI warned that the 'smoke of satan' had entered the church, and that She was undergoing a mysterious process of self-destruction. Obviously, many Catholics did not take these warnings to heart. But again, I think you should also look to other denominations because everyone seems to becoming anesthetized by indifference and moral and intellectual relativism--which hasn't spared any institution.

It used to be that vocations were sublime and that the atmosphere in church was respectful and prayerful. Not so anymore. And the rules of beauty in church art and architecture have been replaced by sterile 'lecture hall' type buildings. There is no reverence paid to consecrated life anymore and modesty both in public and in church is all but gone.

In fact, everything that elevated souls and filled them with admiration and veneration for 'the spiritual' were targeted. This, in turn, has weakened in consciences the notions of good and evil, sin and grace, vice and virtue. Virtue has been replaced with a pathetic feel-good spirituality so that eventually we reached the point where we are today.

And how do the media [and even some 'catholics'] demand reform? By openly challenging supreme magisterium, demanding that the church abolish clerical celibacy, ordane women, accept divorce, contraception and abortion, and oddly enough, homosexuality. They are pushing for total relativism. I suggest that they are gunning for the entire country, but have targeted Catholics because of the unwaivering moral standard taught in the catechism. If they can get us to break, then the rest of the country is laid bare before them.

Pray hard!

29 posted on 05/16/2002 7:40:04 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: HiTech RedNeck; buffyt
See posts 28 and 29. I think you should keep in mind that the institutions you hold sacred are under attack, just as mine are--and that the clergy alone isn't responsible, but the laity as well. Matt. 26:41 has pretty much been forgotten, and if our analysis of the current crisis in this country is to be properly analyzed we must acknowledge this.

What we need in this country is a spiritual crusade, with all the dedication, self-sacrifice, and zeal shown by heros of old. The crisis within the Catholic church bears upon the protestants as well because it outlines the opposition which we face as a society, and we're going to have to stand up like Veronica did and be courageous in the face of public ridicule.

Instead of ripping Catholicsm, protestants should step up to the plate, rejecting the comfort zone and the dictates of the human respect. Because you guys are next on their list after us.

30 posted on 05/16/2002 8:17:39 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: khepera
Equally deplorable is that this "peaceful coexistance" has lasted for decades due to the unpardonable connivance of shepards who should have been ready to lay down their lives if necessary to gain access to the fold.

This should read: ...shepards who should have been ready to lay down their lives if necessary in order to prevent these obviously practicing homosexuals from gaining access to the fold.

31 posted on 05/16/2002 9:05:17 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
You have synopsized the tragedy devout, traditional active members of the Holy Catholic Church are facing today in two posts.

I hope freepers and lurkers will take the time to truly absorb your comments.

God bless,

EODGUY

32 posted on 05/16/2002 9:47:25 PM PDT by EODGUY
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