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Ashcroft affirms individual right to bear arms
AP Yahoo ^ | 5/8/02 | Anne Gearan

Posted on 05/08/2002 7:28:03 AM PDT by ncson

Justice Dept.: Gun Rights Protected
Wed May 8, 9:14 AM ET

By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Reversing decades of Justice Department (news - web sites) policy, the Bush administration has told the Supreme Court for the first time that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess firearms.

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At the same time, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer said the high court need not test that principle now.

The administration's view represents a reversal of government interpretations of the Second Amendment gong back some 40 years.

"The current position of the United States ... is that the Second Amendment more broadly protects the rights of individuals, including persons who are not members of any militia or engaged in active military service or training, to possess and bear their own firearms," Solicitor General Theodore Olson wrote in two court filings this week.

That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Olson, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, was reflecting the view of Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens and not merely to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the amendment's text.

Ashcroft caused a stir when he expressed a similar sentiment a year ago in a letter to the National Rifle Association.

"While some have argued that the Second Amendment guarantees only a `collective' right of the states to maintain militias, I believe the amendment's plain meaning and original intent prove otherwise," Ashcroft wrote.

Critics accused him of kowtowing to the NRA and of undermining federal prosecutors by endorsing a legal view 180 degrees away from what has been official Justice Department policy through four Democratic and five Republican administrations.

At the time Ashcroft wrote the letter, it was unclear whether he was expressing his personal view or stating a new policy position for the government. That question was mostly answered last November, when he sent a letter to federal prosecutors praising an appeals court decision that found "the Second Amendment does protect individual rights" but noting that those rights could be subject to "limited, narrowly tailored specific exceptions."

That opinion by the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals (news - web sites) went on to reject arguments from Texas physician Timothy Emerson that a 1994 federal gun law was unconstitutional. The law was intended to deny guns to people under judicial restraining orders.

"In my view, the Emerson opinion, and the balance it strikes, generally reflect the correct understanding of the Second Amendment," Ashcroft told prosecutors.

Emerson appealed to the Supreme Court, putting the Justice Department in an awkward position. Although the government won its case in the lower court using the old interpretation of the Second Amendment, Ashcroft had switched gears by the time the case reached the high court.

Olson's court filing Monday urged the high court not to get involved and acknowledged the policy change in a lengthy footnote. Olson also attached Ashcroft's letter to prosecutors.

Olson made the same notation in a separate case involving a man convicted of owning two machine guns in violation of federal law. In that case, the government also won a lower court decision endorsing a federal gun control law.

The Justice Department issued a statement Tuesday night saying its latest comments reflect the attorney general's position in the November letter to prosecutors.

"This action is proof positive that the worst fears about Attorney General Ashcroft have come true: his extreme ideology on guns has now become government policy," said Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which promotes gun control.

Barnes noted that other federal appeals courts and the Supreme Court have not found the same protection for individual gun ownership that the 5th Circuit asserted in the Emerson case.

The Supreme Court last ruled on the scope of the Second Amendment in 1939.

The amendment protects only those rights that have "some reasonable relationship to the preservation of efficiency of a well-regulated militia," the high court said then.

The cases are Emerson v. United States, 01-8780 and Haney v. United States, 01-8272.

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KEYWORDS: ashcroft; banglist; constitution; guns; rkba
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Sure you can have my guns ..... LEAD FIRST!
1 posted on 05/08/2002 7:28:04 AM PDT by ncson
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To: bang_list
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2 posted on 05/08/2002 7:30:07 AM PDT by eureka!
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To: ncson;*bang_list;DanfromMichigan
At the same time, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer said the high court need not test that principle now.

This is not good news; we needed that test.

3 posted on 05/08/2002 7:31:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: ncson
How hard is it to understand the Constitution?

including persons who are not members of any militia

The people are the militia.

That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse.

Types of guns suited to criminal misuse? This is the same logic the gungrabbers use.

4 posted on 05/08/2002 7:32:10 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: ncson
Olson, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, was reflecting the view of Attorney General John Ashcroft (news - web sites) that the Second Amendment confers the right to "keep and bear arms" to private citizens and not merely to the "well-regulated militia" mentioned in the amendment's text.

What is all the fuss about this? Seems pretty obvious. Was it REALLY the position of former administrations to state the opposute? Bizarre.

5 posted on 05/08/2002 7:37:15 AM PDT by montag813
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To: ncson
Praisee GOD!!! And thank you AG John Ashcroft.
6 posted on 05/08/2002 7:47:07 AM PDT by Alas
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To: Carry_Okie
Only after we have stacked the court to rule our way. One or two more like Scalia and Thomas, to replace Stevens and Ginsburg.
7 posted on 05/08/2002 7:56:46 AM PDT by hchutch
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To: ncson
The AG supports the right of Americans to keep & bare arms, so what.

What should REALLY concern us is his personal distaste for nude art! (/sarcasm)

8 posted on 05/08/2002 7:57:12 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Alas
Praisee GOD!!! And thank you AG John Ashcroft.

Talk is cheap. Ashcroft speaks with forked tounge. Here he says that I can bear arms and in the next breath he is trying to support the ban on semi-automatics. I still have contempt for the gun grabber.

9 posted on 05/08/2002 8:05:36 AM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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To: Kobyashi1942; All
Talk is cheap. So what are we going to do about it? I suggest that everyone join one of the gun groups as soon as possible. There's going to be a huge amount of work to be done in the next couple of months.
10 posted on 05/08/2002 8:28:33 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: ncson

Unless this issue is addressed by the Supreme Court, there is no guarantee that an election would significantly alter this interpetation. It is not good enough to just say that the Constitution means what it says. We need to lock the meaning in STONE.


11 posted on 05/08/2002 8:32:19 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: ncson
The current position of the United States ... is that the Second Amendment...

Apparently, the current position of the United States is that the meaning of the Constitution's provisions is a matter for the Executive Branch to decide, since "Olson's court filing Monday urged the high court not to get involved [with Emerson]."

This is not good. In fact, it's a classic sop to the Right which can be abandoned as soon as it becomes inconvenient. Ashcroft is doing nothing to officially drop the 'militia' interpretation and in fact seems to be intent on keeping Emerson from being heard and possibly becoming the law of the land.

12 posted on 05/08/2002 8:32:52 AM PDT by Grut
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To: ncson
And this means WHAT to the gun grabbers in Chicago?
13 posted on 05/08/2002 8:39:48 AM PDT by drc43
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To: ncson
I'm no expert on judicial semantics but at least they are making a pretense of being pro-RKBA. The proof will be in the pudding. I wish they had the stones to start challenging all the encroachments of the past 40 years.

However, as one previous poster opined..it might be better to wait for a stacked SCOTUS.

14 posted on 05/08/2002 9:39:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
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We'll have the opportunity in the next four or five years, if we get rid of Wellstone, Carnahan, and a few more like-minded leftists.
15 posted on 05/08/2002 10:15:42 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I hope so. Gun rights being in the constituion clearly defined...are not a local matter.
16 posted on 05/08/2002 10:23:49 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: wardaddy
The proof will be in the pudding.

This is the pudding!

17 posted on 05/08/2002 10:51:36 AM PDT by Grut
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To: Grut
Well then it's a tastier pudding than a Gore/Daschle flavored one. Not precisely to my liking but sure beats the alternative. I would prefer no gun laws period. An armed society is a polite one.
18 posted on 05/08/2002 11:16:11 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Sir Gawain
That right, however, is "subject to reasonable restrictions designed to prevent possession by unfit persons or to restrict the possession of types of firearms that are particularly suited to criminal misuse."

Your observation bears repeating. This position is a loophole you could drive a semi through, exactly the same thing the gun grabbers keep saying to justify more restrictions, and not supportive of the "individual right to bear arms" viewpoint at all. In addition, who defines what "unfit" is? BATF? If this is the view that the Bush administration has of the Second Amendment, then Bush will sign additional gun control legislation as it reaches his desk, including renewal of the assault weapon ban.

But actions speak louder than words. Bush administration really doesn't believe in an individual right to bear arms, since it doesn't believe airline pilots are fit to carry into their cockpits the kind of gun overwhelmingly suited to criminal use...the handgun.

Bush is a Clinton in compassionate conservatives clothing when it comes to domestic policy. You Bushbots out there should finally start to get very worried.

19 posted on 05/08/2002 11:28:25 AM PDT by Jesse
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To: ncson
"This action is proof positive that the worst fears about Attorney General Ashcroft have come true: his extreme ideology on guns has now become government policy," said Michael Barnes, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which promotes gun control.

Cool.

20 posted on 05/08/2002 11:32:28 AM PDT by Steve0113
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